Go to 360 or Baidu? Big news about corporate culture

In addition to the constraints and anti-system on the page, the flow of core staff behind the two sides is also a dark spot in the search for the three hundred battles. It was reported that former Baidu employees also played an important role in 360 of search development, which may mean that Baidu CEO Li Yanhong raised the tiger. Zhang Dong, the leader of the 360 Search Engine Startup team, is a former Google Chinese researcher and a machine learning doctor. He was also a former Baidu scientist and fengchao System Architect, it has deep research in the field of machine learning.

BaiduProgramThe phone number on the employee's desk was repeatedly called by the headhunter. Shui mu once worked in Baidu and has now switched to 360 of Daniel. He analyzed and broke the news about the culture of Baidu and 360, give reference to later generations who want to change jobs and are hesitant.

The original article is as follows:

Sender: windlord (wind), email area: worklife

Question: Do I go 360 or stay in Baidu?

Mail station: Shui muCommunity(Tue sep 11 22:26:16 2012), Station

In the statement, I wrote this article not to join in the excitement of the recent 3B war, but also to some extent, because there are some former owners (in a certain degree) recently) the buddy came to inquire to me about Whether Baidu is better or better, and should not accept the headhunting invitation to quit. After all, if you have had a meal in a canteen, I will talk about the situation on both sides. This is my personal opinion.

In fact, I feel that none of the jobs in the world are ideal. The difference is only in how much they can help you cheat yourself and make you believe that all the contributions are worth the money, ignite the fire of passion. It's because we always have to go through things in our life.

Long Wen, Shen Jin. Is it true that you can verify it? I can answer as much as possible. I am a soldier and will not leave recently, so I beg for help from others. I don't want to be an enemy of the teacher. I hope I will not be an enemy in his eyes.

I will give a summary of the comparison between 360 and Baidu:

1. Baidu does not punch in cards, and 360 calls in cards every day. Baidu said that 360 of the bosses are like parents, and carrots increase.

2. Every person in Baidu makes a decision. In 360, all people except him and others perform the decision. The process is simple and there is no need to discuss or communicate with each other.

3. Baidu is like a school, and 360 is like an army. It is easy to come in, difficult to go out, and strict monitoring. When 360 came in, it was not difficult to increase. Baidu's key point was to grow.

4,360 and Baidu both work overtime. 360. the credit ceiling is the most difficult to break out because of the huge profit pressure and small space. The pressure on Baidu is that newcomers are eager to catch up.

360 impressions: family affection, Department islands

1,360 the most different from Baidu is the working atmosphere between upper and lower levels and different departments. 360 upper and lower levels and teams are similar to families, and departments are isolated from each other.

Baidu is known to each other, and generally cannot feel the existence of bosses. But in 360, you can feel the presence and absence of parents. Maybe Baidu is too big. Our people at this level have little access to Li Yanhong at business meetings, and even have a rare match with Wang mengqiu several times a year, VP sun Yunfeng held a business discussion meeting (not counted as a chat room). In 360, Qi Xiangdong was able to have a meeting with Zhou Hongyi almost every week, you can talk to your boss directly.

2. Baidu's superiors are easygoing and have no difference with employees. They are more concerned about business and seldom talk about life. 360 of superiors will show great concern to individuals like their parents. Old Zhou will suddenly run behind you and look at your computer screen and pat your shoulders and ask you how are you doing recently? When you leave, pick up the snacks on your desk and eat them while walking.

This kind of feeling is very kind for the children who just graduated from Beijing. But after a long time, I always feel that they are trying to create such an atmosphere, and ultimately they still need to deliver performance.

3. carrots and sticks. 360 is still a small company, with a lot of pressure and requires punching in. It is common for technical staff to work overtime until AM, and they have extremely high requirements on efficiency, zhou Hongyi's requirements for everyone are three months of results, so many projects are in a rush to get online with lightning speed. In many cases, they do not perform small traffic tests, but they also have high requirements on success rates. If you do something wrong, you will not be able to get rid of it. Even the loose management mechanism will not be recorded. However, it is inevitable that you will get rid of it.

This violent style is passed down from top to bottom like a virus. Every level of leader is deeply infected and everyone is full of anger, even minor mistakes made by subordinates can easily get furious, swear words, pat the table, or even throw things. In addition to a small number of people around Zhou Hongyi, other people are often scolded for being blurred. My superiors are gentle among these people. Even so, he occasionally name us directly at department meetings. The atmosphere is really depressing, and it makes people feel uncomfortable for a long time.

New people are the most difficult to accept for such a long time. Many people who leave quickly feel unrespected, but old employees are used to it. They even feel that someone scolded you for attaching importance to you, if you say "love" or "love", it may increase your feelings. At this point, 360 is indeed different from Baidu's emphasis on respect and the style of being right.

4. In Baidu, we often sneer at the cartoon bear that is engaged in professional ethics. That's because Li Yanhong has no way to control his employees. Zhou Hongyi never trusted the people below, and shield the information of the directors below (including many directors with short term of employment. What's even more frightening is that in such a security-centric company, your every action, including emails and chat records, is under close surveillance, there cannot be any behavior or comments that are not loyal to the company. No one dares to give negative comments on the Intranet if they have any opinions on the company like Baidu. A Huawei buddy said, he used to think that Huawei was the most strict-minded, and now he knows what to call terror.

360 of the company's architecture is extremely confidential. I haven't held a meeting with other departments for a few months, so I have almost no idea what the people next door are doing. According to colleagues, the company seems to be jealous of people in different departments for private communication or public discussion. In addition to external reports, the only chance for us to get global information is the annual meeting of the company.

At the 360 Annual Meeting, it was basically the old week's speech. The atmosphere was completely different from the peaceful and happy Baidu Annual Meeting. In fact, it was more like a large pre-war mobilization meeting. He is very attractive. In his 4-5-hour speech, he made a comment on the trend of the world, drew a very ambitious future, and commented on various competitors in the market with the classic jinglang. Although a few people just joined are a bit unaccustomed, this brainwashing can indeed increase the secretion of adrenaline, so that they can't wait to fight with anyone immediately.

360 impressions 2: High Efficiency and fast change

1. The first thing to worry about after 360 is that there is no underlying library or programming framework of Baidu, and you have to write everything on your own. So I don't know what I wrote.CodeHas it been written many times by someone else-maybe no one knows. The process was the least I liked in a certain time. Some processes were crazy, and there were too many meetings at the same time, so I had to make a PPT, and a MRD had to argue, sometimes you have to perform a meeting evaluation when writing code segments, and write several articles in weekly reports ...... This is the root cause of inefficiency! There are many bottom-up things in each product line. Everyone needs to spend a lot of time communicating with cooperation, support departments, and practice.

In 360, this is no longer annoying! Here, the process and conference are less terrible, which is a major characteristic of the company's culture. In most cases, the command lines are delivered from top to bottom in a form similar to the red header file. The goal is clear and the road is paved, you don't have to think about it or discuss it with anyone, just execute it.

In terms of procedures, nothing can be omitted, and no established rules can be broken. This was amazing at the beginning, because you can score quickly.

2. However, after a while, many people will start to think about things with their own brains, just like me. Because when I want to look up and look at the road, I find that I can't see anything. I can only see the task list for the day at the morning meeting every morning, and then instruct the following Junior engineers to write code, the only goal is to complete the task within the specified time. I don't know where the company is going, or what strategic position my department is in the company, or what the people in the troops next to me are doing.

The most important thing is that I do not know how the overall direction of technology is determined, so I do not know the future of development in this field. Of course, for Zhou Zong, I really don't need to know this level of person, because he is already in the middle of his life and needs to be fully implemented.

So I also told some Baidu friends not to think that 360 of the talents need to be searched. In fact, many things on the Baidu platform cannot be done in 360, the search here does not require much technical thinking. Zhou Zong and qi zong have already decided, and the core layer of the real Disk control is the first group of people from 3721 and Yahoo.

360 impressions 3: Honeymoon Period and tenure

1. I saw a microblog a few days ago, saying that the headhunting staff of Baidu had to go as soon as they dug it up, and 360 of the boss's rogue employees were very embarrassed. There is a reason for this. Baidu's culture is loose, and there is almost no control over employee job-hopping. So after a year or two, if you want to go up to the next level and find it slow, you will easily have the idea of changing jobs. Other companies are willing to go to Baidu to dig people. In this way, they will not stop them, you don't need to explain the following.

Old Zhou has been willing to pay for it. Most of Baidu's employees can get higher salaries and options than they did before. What is more attractive is that the exercise duration is shorter than that of other companies, it allows you to quickly cash in.

But when it comes, you will find that it will not rise again for a long time, so never take a month's bonus and your mind will get a loan to buy a house.

People who have just arrived will receive a warm hug from leaders at all levels. They will feel particularly concerned, motivated by words, high hopes, and a happy honeymoon.

2. If Baidu's door is as free as a university, 360 of the door is like an army camp-it is easy to go in and out. If you want to resign to force the boss to raise the salary, it will always work in 360.

Because every employee has to go through several passes of repeated questioning to change jobs, he has always been talking about Qi Xiangdong. If he is in a very important position, Zhou Hongyi will interview him in person. Where to go? Why? What are you not satisfied? Are you willing to stay after your salary increases? If you find that you are going to the competitor camp, it will be more difficult to allow. If you really don't like it or have a good choice to leave, it will be very troublesome. It is said that you need to sign a lot of binding documents, which makes you feel a great risk of job-hopping. It is just like leaving a wedding. The trouble is until you finally give up job-hopping. The Directors and above are even more difficult, because any one who changes to the opponent's camp is about to announce that he or she is fighting against 360 and Zhou Hongyi, whether you do it yourself or in a large company, you will be blocked by him. If you do not do so, you will be threatened by the security of your family. No one wants to offend such a person.

For new graduates, 360 is a platform that allows them to quickly become a master in the market, but for those who want to deeply develop their names in the Internet field, when it reaches a certain ceiling, it is difficult to develop. However, it is said that the old week is old, and his mouth is soft. Even if you cannot keep up with the development needs of the technical team, 360 never rush away. Compared with Baidu, this is more like a dependent elder care.

360 impressions 4: pressure cooker and ceiling

This year, the number of expert-level employees in 360 has gone a lot, with at least one hundred people. There are two reasons: one is too tired to live at work, and the other is on the ceiling.

1. In private, I compared 360 to a pressure cooker.

It was not long before I began to think, why are the leaders here so impatient and have no strong demeanor? A little big fart error is like a storm? Why can't we see people playing basketball and playing tricks as easily as Baidu does?

I gradually realized that they are under too much pressure. Because the company has been saving the nation on the curve, and has been doing free things, and now it is mainly relying on games to earn money. The loss that Baidu has never heard of, and the 360 financial report is poor. Boss Zhou is ambitious, has little money, and is always not enough to spend. Many things can be thought well and cannot be done without enough resources. Therefore, for any plan, from top to bottom, it is required to be completed at the fastest speed, and the execution must be the best.

I have seen an amazing record of two people working 24 hours a day to launch a product. This is not uncommon in 360. Therefore, everyone is under a lot of pressure on each line. If you fail to complete the process, you and the entire team will feel very uncomfortable.

2. The company often fights with people. Once such a thing happens, it will be a common thing to do after in the evening. working overtime on weekends is not called overtime at all. By the way, 360 of the morning is to be punched out. In addition, there are many external enemies, which makes it difficult to expand cooperation. Therefore, it is often a battle of hard work. When the psychological pressure is so high, you can understand your bad temper. Therefore, do not be surprised to hear loud and abusive voices in the company. In such an environment, it is difficult for you to feel at ease in doing things. The negative energy is much absorbed and naturally needs to be vented. Therefore, you will also see engineers yelling at administrative or financial personnel.

High pressure may be just a stage, just like the Red Army's Long March. If one day we make a search, we can also launch profit tools such as spot price rankings, so we can see the rainbow. However, in personal development, the entire platform is very narrow due to the small number of business lines and the close relationship between them.

3. Many people who have worked for more than a year and a half in 360 are confused, which is quite different from the time they first came. Because the management structure here is very flat, the opportunities for promotion become very rare. At the same time, because the company's income is not high, there are still many investment projects and large public relations expenses every year, so the annual wage increase is very small. This is why we must be more advanced when we let everyone come in. In the future, we will work with the company to tighten our belts to make a revolution, and the annual growth will be very small.

In Baidu, we are afraid of new people. Old employees and new employees will always compete at the starting line. on credit, no matter how hard work is done, excellent talents can be promoted without restraint. In contrast, 360 is a kind of Juyi culture similar to shuiboliangshan. New visitors need to name their posts before they can gain a leap position. However, the previous record has been scheduled, VP and more than a dozen directors are the most trusted elders with Zhou Hongyi for many years. Unless they leave, the people behind will never have a chance.

4. Because Zhou Hongyi prefers to break the rules surprisingly, trust is much more important than ability. Maybe because he is a generation of fortinet, he is used to designing others, so he is particularly afraid of being betrayed and computation. Few people in his mind know what they want. Apart from security guard, other teams are hard to get close to the core. on the Internet, it is said that 360 of users are uploaded to the secret, which is also done by the guard department. Because the focus of the company is constantly changing, it will focus on playing qq For a while. If there is no benefit, it will change to other battlefields, such as dealing with Xiaomi or Baidu, so the focus of other departments is Fu Ping, many technically savvy people are actually senior programmers who are only responsible for a very small number of jobs here.

The advantages and disadvantages of recognizing only one person and recognizing only one person have their own advantages and disadvantages. This is a major difference in the concept of Baidu and 360 people. You can choose the one you prefer.

PS. Sometimes I will think about why the cultural revolution is over when the boss was born in 1970s. Why is there such a fighting spirit? Why does our company exist? Is it war for survival or is it born for war? Sometimes, when Zhou calls people to the office to discuss how to make money, I will feel more confused. Maybe he doesn't know how to make money, so he can only do what he is good at-Eliminate the industry's mature model, grab money.

Well, I have written so much about it. Can you verify it? I will not leave my job recently, so we should not be human or who I am. I don't want to be an enemy of the teacher. I hope I will not be an enemy in his eyes.