Is cloud computing ahead or junk?

Our reporter Ding New intern Juan reported in the high-end dialogue yesterday afternoon, Tencent board chairman and CEO Ma and Baidu CEO Robin Li had a lively discussion, and Alibaba Group chairman of the Board of directors of the "" in the "" in the Dialogue is more "gunpowder".　　About internationalization in response to host Erfei's "Internationalization View", Ma said, Tencent Internationalization began with interactive gaming business; Li said Baidu has a responsibility to make international attempts. MA: China's Internet enterprises to the global trend is a tortuous process, not only the Internet industry, including telecommunications services, in fact, are still mainly China. We have also done a lot of exploring, some failures, and some are successful, such as community instant messaging. Chinese online games, interactive business is fully capable of export, and very likely to become a network culture, online games, the export of creative power.　　Tencent will work on this. Li: China is now the world's second-largest economy, and its strength is growing. A country's economy has such a strong foundation, and there is no such thing as a truly influential global enterprise. We have a responsibility to do this kind of globalization or internationalization, so I began to do the relevant work a few years ago.　　Although this is likely to be a relatively long-term job, it requires a larger investment, but I think one day we will see that this investment is worthwhile. About "cloud computing" in answer to the moderator about "How to understand cloud computing?" How do you plan to get into cloud computing? , MA believes that "cloud computing" is a relatively advanced concept, Li said, you are welcome to say, it is a new bottle of old wine, no new things.　　Mr Ma directly contradicted Robin Li's point of view. MA: "Cloud computing" is indeed a more advanced concept. A decade ago Sun also put forward network computers, but no one believed, not only the transformation is unsuccessful, but also to make a lot of problems.　　In fact, the idea it advocates is too early to see. Robin Li: "Cloud computing" this thing is not to mention a new bottle of old wine, no new things. In the early days, 15 years ago, the relationship between the client and the server, and then the Internet Web interface based services, now talk about cloud computing, is actually the same, the main activities are done on the server side, the client needs to do things more and more simple.　　The idea is right. But it is not easy for the traditional software industry to lean this way.　　For example, Microsoft Office, want to make everything in the cloud to do, the client does not have anything, this more or less a little left hand hit the right hand, thankless. Ma Yun: I am afraid of is the new bottle of wine, you can not see what he played, suddenly broke out the most terrible. Our company is full of confidence and hope for "cloud computing", and Alibaba has a lot of consumer data, Alipay trading data, which is useful to us, but may be more useful to society. For example, our information from small businesses to the entire Chinese economy, the world economy, the consumer data to the manufacturing industry, so that theyProduce better products to sell to consumers. It would be useful to share this data with the community.　　If we don't do it, we'll die in the future.　　About e-commerce at the summit scene, there are viewers said that the current e-commerce blossom, hundred schools of contention, three-horse and neck, can three carriages into a carriage, we go forward together? MA: E-commerce Troika if the synthesis of a driving to the seller more unfavorable, basically no bargaining space, he will charge how much money, you have to pay how much.　　From the competitive ecological chain, there are some advantages of competition. Li: E-commerce is more late than instant messaging, search and development of the industry, from a broader perspective is still in a melee situation.　　A certain degree of competition for users, consumers are good. MA: Together certainly not good, there are more e-commerce sites will be more features, eventually the entire industry will be good. Enter the information age, due to the network effect, the enterprise is more and more big, it is not to obtain higher profits, but to reduce costs, the social cost of reducing the efficiency of each unit, this is the so-called monopoly. I think sellers have the right to choose Taobao, digging, Pat and a variety of websites, the cost is getting lower, more and more people will participate. In short, the opponent died, you must live soon, must have an opponent, will develop more and better.