Interview: Why can't "post 80" programmers find a job?

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At the invitation of it168 last month, we held a program on "post-80 Job Hunting". The following is a text draft, hoping to help you.

Leo

 

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It is undeniable that the "post 80" has become a strong force in the rapid growth of the workplace, especially in the domestic R & D field. Each era has its own characteristics. If you use several typical positive words to describe them, they should be smart, insightful, and capable.

I. Brief introduction to the guests

CHRISTINE: Manager of the human resources department of a foreign company. She has 12 years of experience and 7 years of human resource management experience. I have worked for more than 2000 people in the human resources department of a large company. I have extensive experience in the consulting industry and have provided career guidance to nearly people. He has been well received by students such as Beijing University of Posts and Telecommunications and Beijing Normal University for training interview skills and mentality adjustment for graduate and undergraduate students. Research areas focus on interview skills, career development and career transition strategies.

LEO: Master of Business Management from Beijing University of Posts and Telecommunications once served as head hunting business director of a company. Over the past 10 years of career experience, career guidance, and personal opinions and opinions on IT staff's career. Salary increase-love you in your heart difficult to open "," when looking for a horse, I was found by the donkey..." "How to reject asshole at work" and "What kind of professionalism do programmers need?" It was included in programmer magazine for 07 years. I once collaborated with it168 to launch "if you are just a programmer, entrepreneurship is not suitable for you!" Why can't post-80 Developers find a job? I had a heated discussion on the Internet. As an IT expert, Leo will continue to cooperate with it168 to launch the article series "Leo workplace watching.

2. Experts talk about their personal experiences after the 80 s based on their own experiences:

CHRISTINE: people created in different eras have different characteristics, including values. I personally think that the 80 s should be divided into 83, 84 and 83 and 84 S. Like 85-86, they are just entering the workplace. At the beginning of their career, it is inevitable that there will be some unprofessional and non-professional performances; people 84 years ago, I have grown up and play an important role in my work. Therefore, I think that after 80, I should be divided into 84 and 84.

Leo: I shared an example of what happened after the 80 s: before the 11 S, I made an appointment for 12 candidates to come to the interview. At that time, they both agreed to come and there were only three results, reflecting their sense of responsibility. Once you submit your resume and make a phone call, you should keep your promise. This poor person affects the social reputation of people born after the 80 s.

Iii. What is the prospect of employment in the IT industry?

The current situation is that some talents have signed many offers before graduation. Before graduation, major companies like Microsoft will go to school for recruitment, and the best candidate has been snatched by top foreign companies before graduation. So these people don't have to worry about finding a job, and they don't need much interview skills. Big companies will help them plan, but this is only a small number of people. A simple definition of these talented people is "Famous schools, professional names", which can be selected in employment.

Today, we are talking about the employment of most of the society's not the best post-80 programmers.
They are faced with the following problems during employment:
1. After the expansion of colleges and universities, the employment pressure increases, causing college students to step down from Shengtan. At the same time, education and the market are out of touch. In schools, students also operate on projects, but they are very basic, it is very basic and does not follow standard project management.

2. There are few opportunities, and many companies are reluctant to use fresh graduates. Because it takes a lot of money to train people, And you can't keep your skills after maturity, it's hard to get back the cost. There are also some students who do not observe their professional ethics during their internships and promise that they cannot do anything. I leave my internship for one or two months, so these phenomena make everyone generally reluctant to use the post-80 graduates.

However, some companies still have low wage requirements for fresh graduates.

Experts believe that there is a positive attitude and there are always opportunities. For example, you can find some part-time projects on the Internet. These internships or project experiences are not difficult to accumulate. the key is to explore and participate with your own efforts. For example, a netizen posted a message saying that he had signed three offers for his graduation. He not only learned professional knowledge but also actively participated in some practices, these people will be welcomed by enterprises when they are employed.

4. How do two experts view the relationship among personal factors, social factors, and company factors.

Experts believe that social factors such as Enrollment Expansion and unreasonable professional curriculum settings are uncontrollable, and more measures should be taken from their own perspective. For example, you can participate in more projects in schools, to increase employment opportunities.

Company factors: the company usually leaves two groups of people when selecting candidates. One is a person with good theoretical foundation, many project experiences, and strong practical skills. On the other hand, people with good potential and high degree of professionalism will be left behind.

So how do we define professionalism?

In short, it is the comprehensive quality required to complete the work. (1) After selecting a path, you can make a living on it. You must become a professional in this field. (2) maximize profits at the minimum cost. (3) Treat Yourself, customers, and others with a rational attitude. (4) What is wonderful about the nuances. These four items are a professional attitude.

For example, when a graduate arrives at a company, the Project Manager asks to complete a function before Friday, but Friday is incomplete for various reasons (machine, time, and so on. But he did not report it, so he delayed the progress of the project. This is his non-professional performance. professionalism is a reflection of his work.

Another situation is that your work is not active, and you are in the status of pushing one or more moves. I never want to do anything better than what leaders do.

Why are they doing this?

Programmers in the post 80 s are not clear about their own positioning, psychologically not blindly arrogant or super inferiority. I am not clear about my career goals, and I am not properly positioned. For example, when they submit their resumes, they can go from junior programmers to R & D directors to find out what they are suitable for. Another type of people have no idea about the future, your positioning in the next three or five years will be vague, and you will not be planning for the future if you have a day in total. Work is just a source of livelihood, not a career.

Everyone should have a grateful heart. gratitude is mutual. The company's gratitude to employees can be manifested in (bonuses, vacations, promotions, etc.). If you just do your job well, you should not receive these rewards; you can be rewarded only when you are out of work. Gratitude to others is to make yourself happier, accept people or things around you, and do not complain too much.

Some people will think that what they do is beyond their own scope, and the leaders will think that they are more advanced.

Experts suggest you communicate with your superiors to express your desire to learn more and exercise more. Most leaders are willing to give their subordinates such opportunities. When their subordinates can take more responsibilities, they have more time to consider other things, any healthy company or team will not reject the growth of a young man. If you really don't think that you are doing well, you can either review whether you are doing well or check the company and select an environment that will make you happy.

5. Do you need to take the exam if you have obtained some certificates from the school?

It is recommended that you keep a calm mind on your research, know exactly what a certificate can bring to you, and do not bring work with only one certificate. You can take an exam if you have time and money, but you must have the capabilities that the certificate should possess.

6. What qualities should post-80 programmers possess?

The first point is the sense of responsibility. The sense of responsibility is to have a responsible attitude towards your commitment. If there are some objective reasons why you cannot finish your work, you must have at least professional respect, communicate with each other in advance and give the other party an explanation. (As Leo said, it is not responsible for the interview with only three people and the things that should be handed in on Friday but delayed ).

The second point is that we need to increase our awareness of cost. The cost here refers to the cost of time or the cost of Youth. Now, some "post-80" are constantly jumping, your salary may be higher every time you jump, but the real three-year or five years may not earn more than those who have just graduated and have been stable in a company or field. It turns out that if you work in a company for less than a year, you have no right to comment on him, because you are not familiar with the company. Therefore, we hope that the "post 80 s" will have a stable mentality to fully understand the development process of an industry, company, product, and project. These are all things that need to be put down in a down-to-earth manner before they can develop in this field within two or three years and become experts in this industry. Repeated jumps are actually more lost.

 

Why are post-80 programmers still favored by Headhunting companies?

1. Learn the professional knowledge that most people do not know, and there are many people in their positions. For example, Peking University has a major engaged in embedded development. At that time, some enterprises urgently needed talents in this field, and students have been dug up before graduation, but only a few of them can do this.

2. Increase the exposure rate on the relevant media, so that others can see their excellence. Let the headhunting company discover you.
There are many advantages in the post 80 s that people did not have in 1970s. They have their own ideas and more creativity/innovation capabilities. As long as they stick to their innovation points, there will be good results. In short, we should make full use of our advantages to correct some non-professional factors.

7. What should I pay attention to in life planning?

(1) The sooner you plan your career, the better. The more important thing is to make rational planning and gain a clear understanding of yourself.

In this figure, there are three circles, one of which is "suitable for you -- refers to the characteristics of this person", for example, a certain population is good, A good image makes you more suitable for research jobs, such as media and marketing jobs, and other professional skills such as finance and computer science; the other is what we hope to do. The intersection of the three circles is what we should do. When planning a career, you should first analyze your own characteristics, analyze your professional abilities, and analyze your motivations.

When the three cannot overlap, you can choose not to use motivation, but the professional skills can help the work, and the individual is very suitable; definitely, what should not be done is to become such a person and have such skills at the same time, but it is not suitable for individuals. For example, it is difficult for a very careless person to develop deeply in this field.

(2) The second point is to reserve in advance and reserve the capabilities that your superiors should possess in advance. For example, if you are a beginner programmer, you should have the professional skills and professional qualities you have as an intermediate programmer. Only in this way can the reserve be quickly developed and the direction of your efforts be known.
It is often complained that the project manager is not a dispatching task. The code is not as fast as I write, indicating that this employee does not know what kind of ability he should have at the upper level. It is not until one day that you know what core competencies and strategies are, that you have the potential to be a director or manager.

LEO:
(1) first, programmers should know what they want and what they should stick. Example: a Fortune 500 company needs a Senior Programmer. A candidate is a leader in a 40-person company with an annual salary of 12 million. He is very interested in this position. Although the new job is lower than the current job, without a team, and the salary is lower than the current job, candidates are more interested in the opportunity to enter the top 500, this person entered the company for a short time and then quickly increased. He knew the value and significance of this incident to him.

(2) You need to know when to stick to it. For example, a freshman, who had an internship in a company one year ago, developed Java he liked very much. However, due to the company's transformation, the development language was changed. net, although the salary remains unchanged, but because I am not interested in it, I have to change my job and insist on doing my favorite Java development.

(3) the other point is your attitude towards things. For example, after the post (post-80) is published, there are two types of online users. One is full rejection, and the other is relatively positive, if any, correct it in time. Choosing a positive attitude will allow you to succeed quickly.

(4) mature but not old. Each generation will replace the previous generation and become the master of the historical stage. There is always an open mind that can improve itself in a timely manner, regardless of technology or individual cultivation.

 

8. Questions about netizens:

1. As a member, it is better to lead and start your own business.
First of all, there is no best, only the most suitable. Start-ups and professional managers should determine which one is more suitable for themselves. Entrepreneurship is not just about having technical skills, but about having enough mentality, ability, financial resources, and support for us. Everyone wants to know whether all these factors are suitable for themselves. Leo has an article titled "if you are just a programmer, it is not suitable for you to start a business". We suggest you ask a friend to check it out. Some people will have the impulse to start a business at a certain stage of their career, but they also met when they started their own business.

We are desperate for a thousand times, and we should not be disappointed if we fail to start a business, because we have a good idea, and enterprises are more willing to accept such people.

2. When I start a business, should I select a close friend or a pure business partner?
Experts are more inclined to look for the latter to know what the other party can help in terms of technology, market or financial resources. This situation is more conducive to the healthy development of the company. Even if the company cannot run, it will not hurt his previous relationship.

The latter will be more rational, so that you can accurately select the target, so that you can go further.

3. Currently, many computer graduates cannot write simple code.
Although there are objective factors that cannot be changed, such as "school curriculum settings and practice arrangements are not reasonable enough", we should take a positive attitude to deal with him, we should put this problem out of college.

There are two options: You can choose to go to the training school and then perform professional reinforcement. In addition, you can switch to a company related to this field, for example, you can select pre-sales, after-sales, testing, and other work based on your own personality characteristics.

4. When I was a programmer for six years and wanted to switch to the industry, I found that I had nothing but code?
First of all, we must determine what the ultimate goal of our job is. It is because we cannot continue to develop in this field, or even face the screen neck. If it is an objective reason, it is necessary to change the line, I feel that nothing can be done except the development code. I need to do an analysis on the profession to assist the line conversion. Analyze your personality characteristics and position which social resources are more suitable.

First of all, do not completely deny yourself. Six years of code may make us more familiar with the theories and knowledge of software engineering and make it more logical to do things. Second, it is recommended to switch to a profession rather than an industry. Programmers are part of the industry chain and can choose to develop upwards or downwards. For example, programmers can switch to tests and perform tests from a comprehensive perspective, will do very well. Third, psychologically accept the relevant cost. For example, when Leo switched from sales to HR, he first chose the intersection of the two industries-from sales to headhunting, that is, sales skills and HR knowledge, from headhunting to HR again. When switching, you must have the courage to face the gap between income and psychology.

5. Why is the gap between the rich and the poor between programmers?
In fact, most jobs will have this phenomenon, which is more dependent on their own capabilities.
Objectively speaking, there are two factors that cause this phenomenon: the first English language is not good and it is difficult to take a higher level in salary. The second is education level. Many excellent people are blocked by the education level.

In short, everything will develop in a reasonable direction. If netizens do well in all aspects, but their salaries are low, they will either choose an environment, or the company will be aware of this problem, he will be given a raise. Such unreasonable status will be broken sooner or later. Therefore, you only need to care about whether your contribution is proportional to your income.

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