Looking for a strong determination and reason to learn Laravel

statement: This problem is my brain hole open, some of the questions, if there is something wrong, please forgive me.

Laravel in the end what Subversion PHP, is it just to promote composer, in the end laravel these features violate the original intention of PHP, PHP is originally to be light-weight features, and now joined the namespace and package management. and Laravel's domestic practical application projects in the end what? Is it just to develop an extreme blog like WordPress? And there are not a lot of laravel related applications on Gitoschina, you won't tell me that GitHub has a lot of it, not because GitHub is famous for ignoring the development and credit of the domestic git community, Gitoschina is now also the domestic very influential Git service community, the promotion of composer is bound to cause a variety of project dependency package increase and rot, so that PHP will inevitably become more and more without magnitude. What I understand can be widely used is definitely a Swiss army knife like jquery, because it's lightweight, fast, flexible, and can be used to expand the development of many things, to fulfill our own needs, and the bootstrap front-end framework, too, Frameworks like this can be widely popular and fully developed and utilized. Laravel Craftsman Spirit, I think will cause it very inflexible, learning curve difficult and so on problems, and finally become only a very small number of geeks and enthusiasts pet.

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First of all, thank you for giving me a sincere reply, from the reply from the people I also appreciate a lot, I would like to add the following:

I agree with the idea of the Dragon:

PHP has long been not that concise PHP, learned Java too many things, lost some scripting language should be flexible. Your knowledge of PHP still stays in the 3x era.

About namespaces and package management that's what I said:

PHP is inherently lightweight and now joins namespaces and package management

I hope you do not too literal, deviate from my big point of view, I also did not put the name space and package management in the Lavavel, and lavavel not be able to let PHP make changes. Python node. js and php feel nothing comparable, after all, design purposes and intentions are not the same, and others very early on the concept of package management, in the package management of PHP has lagged a lot, in my opinion, Chinese projects in China many people take laravel only make blog appearance, make blog really can't and WordPress than, also can't Than, and WordPress now also support 3x also did not see others must use composer. There is a little bit of lavavel this word feel not good, the Chinese people feel bad remember, at least for me.

I may be like @ Dragon said still stay in the era of 3x, even if it is like @jellybool said that I do not think enterprising excuse it.
But I think Jquery,bootstrap is really a flexible framework for everyone, and I can't even spray them with this problem.

Do not want to bring in Gitoschina, we also do not mislead others, let others mistakenly think Gitoschina bad, for English is not good, or not scientific internet people, like Gitoschina, Coding.net, such as such a platform to provide at least a learning channel, at least I touch git started from it, can not say that not good at English, do not learn programming it.

Comprehensive views, my personal idea is to see the opportunity to understand and contact the Laravel, if the beginning of a lot of pits, a few days I can not get started, touch the door, then I only wait for it in the domestic real like jquery as popular when I slowly learn it.

The following is an opinion that represents an individual's current level of understanding and does not involve any other group organization or interest

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The following is only representative of the current level of understanding of the individual views, the spirit of not knowing is not know, do not understand the basic concept of not understanding, not involving any other group organization and interests

Lavavel domestic advocates do not put lavavel old, a pair of high-up appearance, all day the Craftsman, artist Spirit, lightweight, concise elegance, the latest features of PHP hanging in the mouth, talk, make like say you must follow me to engage in 5x, 7x what, How can you not composer, I only use composer, you still engaged in 3x that set! To hit the old rookie like me, make it like you do not immediately learn the new features of PHP, you do not need it to be mixed in this circle of the appearance of the domestic framework, look down on the weaving dream cms, despise WordPress, even despise Gitoschina, Others for the domestic can have a decent git services to do a lot of effort and pay a lot of sweat, improve the number of domestic programming environment, do not take GitHub all day, not everyone has the opportunity to go abroad, not everyone knows git, the domestic programming environment what kind of foreign environment what we should be very clear , the majority of the domestic people are still being forced to code for that point of wages, domestic service platform has the existence of domestic service platform, others development good not long not you decide.

In the spirit of the craftsman, are there many popular frameworks in Java that are so artisan-lavavel, concise and elegant, and the many popular frameworks of python that are simple and elegant, and do not misuse these words to exaggerate, to make God mysterious. Package management bad understanding on the more information to make everyone understand, learning curve is difficult to simplify the optimization of the method, the implementation process is not good to understand more perfect refinement process analysis, Chinese support is not good to write more Chinese language package, Chinese information less on more Chinese information, these later advocates can work together to complete, do not rule out the future will have me, But the premise is to everyone know how to use this thing, apache,nginx,mysql easy to use not everyone just start to know how to configure, a key environment is not also come fast, with a key environment does not mean to learn not to configure the knowledge, it just reduces the threshold of our entry. As the vim editor used to say it is good cow, but for the average person is very difficult to get started, just started to use very uncomfortable, was rejected, Sublimetext is very good to avoid the problem of the beginning of the wider popular and respected.

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Statement: This problem is my brain hole open, some of the questions, if there is something wrong, please forgive me.

Laravel in the end what Subversion PHP, is it just to promote composer, in the end laravel these features violate the original intention of PHP, PHP is originally to be light-weight features, and now joined the namespace and package management. and Laravel's domestic practical application projects in the end what? Is it just to develop an extreme blog like WordPress? And there are not a lot of laravel related applications on Gitoschina, you won't tell me that GitHub has a lot of it, not because GitHub is famous for ignoring the development and credit of the domestic git community, Gitoschina is now also the domestic very influential Git service community, the promotion of composer is bound to cause a variety of project dependency package increase and rot, so that PHP will inevitably become more and more without magnitude. What I understand can be widely used is definitely a Swiss army knife like jquery, because it's lightweight, fast, flexible, and can be used to expand the development of many things, to fulfill our own needs, and the bootstrap front-end framework, too, Frameworks like this can be widely popular and fully developed and utilized. Laravel Craftsman Spirit, I think will cause it very inflexible, learning curve difficult and so on problems, and finally become only a very small number of geeks and enthusiasts pet.

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First of all, thank you for giving me a sincere reply, from the reply from the people I also appreciate a lot, I would like to add the following:

I agree with the idea of the Dragon:

PHP has long been not that concise PHP, learned Java too many things, lost some scripting language should be flexible. Your knowledge of PHP still stays in the 3x era.

About namespaces and package management that's what I said:

PHP is inherently lightweight and now joins namespaces and package management

I hope you do not too literal, deviate from my big point of view, I also did not put the name space and package management in the Lavavel, and lavavel not be able to let PHP make changes. Python node. js and php feel nothing comparable, after all, design purposes and intentions are not the same, and others very early on the concept of package management, in the package management of PHP has lagged a lot, in my opinion, Chinese projects in China many people take laravel only make blog appearance, make blog really can't and WordPress than, also can't Than, and WordPress now also support 3x also did not see others must use composer. There is a little bit of lavavel this word feel not good, the Chinese people feel bad remember, at least for me.

I may be like @ Dragon said still stay in the era of 3x, even if it is like @jellybool said that I do not think enterprising excuse it.
But I think Jquery,bootstrap is really a flexible framework for everyone, and I can't even spray them with this problem.

Do not want to bring in Gitoschina, we also do not mislead others, let others mistakenly think Gitoschina bad, for English is not good, or not scientific internet people, like Gitoschina, Coding.net, such as such a platform to provide at least a learning channel, at least I touch git started from it, can not say that not good at English, do not learn programming it.

Comprehensive views, my personal idea is to see the opportunity to understand and contact the Laravel, if the beginning of a lot of pits, a few days I can not get started, touch the door, then I only wait for it in the domestic real like jquery as popular when I slowly learn it.

The following is an opinion that represents an individual's current level of understanding and does not involve any other group organization or interest

What's best for you Click to praise

X Supplement 20160621 08:30
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The following is only representative of the current level of understanding of the individual views, the spirit of not knowing is not know, do not understand the basic concept of not understanding, not involving any other group organization and interests

Lavavel domestic advocates do not put lavavel old, a pair of high-up appearance, all day the Craftsman, artist Spirit, lightweight, concise elegance, the latest features of PHP hanging in the mouth, talk, make like say you must follow me to engage in 5x, 7x what, How can you not composer, I only use composer, you still engaged in 3x that set! To hit the old rookie like me, make it like you do not immediately learn the new features of PHP, you do not need it to be mixed in this circle of the appearance of the domestic framework, look down on the weaving dream cms, despise WordPress, even despise Gitoschina, Others for the domestic can have a decent git services to do a lot of effort and pay a lot of sweat, improve the number of domestic programming environment, do not take GitHub all day, not everyone has the opportunity to go abroad, not everyone knows git, the domestic programming environment what kind of foreign environment what we should be very clear , the majority of the domestic people are still being forced to code for that point of wages, domestic service platform has the existence of domestic service platform, others development good not long not you decide.

In the spirit of the craftsman, are there many popular frameworks in Java that are so artisan-lavavel, concise and elegant, and the many popular frameworks of python that are simple and elegant, and do not misuse these words to exaggerate, to make God mysterious. Package management bad understanding on the more information to make everyone understand, learning curve is difficult to simplify the optimization of the method, the implementation process is not good to understand more perfect refinement process analysis, Chinese support is not good to write more Chinese language package, Chinese information less on more Chinese information, these later advocates can work together to complete, do not rule out the future will have me, But the premise is to everyone know how to use this thing, apache,nginx,mysql easy to use not everyone just start to know how to configure, a key environment is not also come fast, with a key environment does not mean to learn not to configure the knowledge, it just reduces the threshold of our entry. As the vim editor used to say it is good cow, but for the average person is very difficult to get started, just started to use very uncomfortable, was rejected, Sublimetext is very good to avoid the problem of the beginning of the wider popular and respected.

In fact, I can't blame PHP for being so complicated now.

PHP was born, but also the web is more elementary, when the site of a small CMS has, logic simple, the overall size is small, no matter how you make up the overall code is not too run. The PHP scripting language at this time solves most of the problems, even using the Html+php hybrid encoding method, and does not make people feel much discomfort. If I remember correctly, this encoding is called "spaghetti programming."

And then as the web becomes more and more complex, the hybrid coding has been a bit out of the way, the result is that a page has more than N of PHP and HTML alternating coding, resulting in later coding staff (including themselves) more and more big, with the inclusion of some common code to put forward also not, So appear in the concept of template, more representative is smarty, this time, you can write logic into a PHP file, and then load another template file as the presentation layer, this file contains only the necessary PHP logic code, so that the logic code and the Presentation code separation.

However, the web is growing too fast, and soon the code that handles the logical part becomes huge again, there are processing request, there are database, some more common logic is inside, the back end of the engineers have collapsed, the more the bug is written. So someone wrote the framework to separate the logic, so a bunch of frames like CodeIgniter appeared. Most of these frameworks use a single entry to ensure that the logical part is taken over, and then the MVC layer is separated, and the code is smooth. But this time PHP also began to be no longer the original PHP, is no longer 24 hours to get started PHP, although can also be used in spaghetti programming, and even now can, but so programming will be despised, so many phper forced to learn the new programming method, the beauty of its name: layered programming. But to tell the truth, separate layers, it is really much more comfortable programming. (landlord, since you are a bit against laravel programming, then I guess you should be in this kind of MVC layered framework form programming, if I say this also violates the idea of PHP fast programming, you can return to the most primitive programming way? Pure guess ha, if wrong, don't mind. )

Later, it is now, the web is not simply the need for knowledge sharing, what SNS social, what electronic mall, what b/S service software, as a back-end engineer, want to Sai Tou are big. So then someone jumped out to solve all kinds of problems, how to solve it? What problem solves what question Bai, hehe. I would like to cite an example, for example, with a majority of the old frame CodeIgniter to write an e-mall, the problem is not big, although the logic side code may be a bit long, but endure can pass, but one day back to look at the code, you find that the V-terminal code is still possible, the logic is relatively clear, is a show, there is nothing to optimize, M-end is also possible, is no more than write some SQL statements, even if the SQL statement is too complex, it is the database design thing, and then you look at the C-side, some can not bear, which is responsible for receiving a variety of GET, post worthy code, Have to deal with various logic calculation of code, there are various code to verify the data, there are various loading data m loading v-side code, each function is said to be hundreds of lines, so you intend to take the logic that part of the code out, so that the C-side is only responsible for reading user input data and loading M and V, as for the logic Another service layer, this part of the disassembly, not only the C-terminal concise, and some service can be reused, double benefit. When you start to dismantle, you suddenly found that there is no place to put this layer, put it in the library, think it is just a place to place a separate library, rather than a layered place, put into M, and feel that the meaning of the MVC itself, but there is no way, the rules are not dead, since you can use it. However, if you use a relatively new framework, they all follow the PSR Coding specification, you can build a folder as a layered, and then to the C-end use, completely do not destroy the existing structure, the most cool is that if you write code can be effectively decoupled, then with composer, You can share what you write with others, which is one of the most cool places for many new frameworks.

Then I don't have to say, if PHP really is always reluctant, we always use a long time ago script-style programming, sooner or later will be eliminated.

Of course I do want to spit, the new framework brings a lot of new features, too difficult to learn ...

here is the focus : The above is purely personal spit groove, some places have not been detailed textual research, may not be right, when the tea is small point bar. If you can point out the wrong place is very good, do not like to squirt.

Well, the front is ready to tear the force. The following represents only personal views and does not involve any other group organization and interests

1.Laravel does not subvert PHP anything, but the use of a lot of new PHP features.

2. Not to promote Composer,composer is originally the product of the PHP community, but you do not understand it.

3.Laravel Features and PHP's original intention is not the same thing, the namespace is the product of PHP, and the namespace this is not contrary to the so-called 轻量 characteristics, each technology produced behind is to solve the problem of a scenario, in short, in order to resolve class and method naming conflicts, The namespace that was introduced. I personally feel that those who maintain the PHP source on GitHub, make the decision to join the namespace of PHP is more correct. Maintaining the so-called 轻量 features is not an excuse for not thinking ahead. If a language can not change with the times and become more suitable to solve the problem, the language has no vitality.

4. The person thinks that WordPress and Laravel have no comparable sex at all.

5. I am sorry to say that I do not GitOsChina是国内很有影响力的Git服务社区 agree with this remark. To be open source, it's inevitable that GitHub will throw away all the other Git community 100,000 streets (rhetoric is called hyperbole). If it is not open source, is the company's business projects, the basic choice is self-built git services, all I am not optimistic and feel GitOsChina是国内很有影响力的Git服务社区 . Personally think Gitoschina live not long (welcome to face), because Gitoschina ecology really down to not.

6. At present, it is Composer的推广势必会造成项目各种依赖包的增加和烂用 not to be seen, not to abuse the people who read the project.

7. 这样PHP必然会变得越来越不经量级 can you say that light is a constant? It's just a non-aggressive interface.

8. 肯定是像加JQuery一样的瑞士军刀，由于它的轻量级、快捷、灵活 to be light-weight, jquery is not a good line. And now jquery is very difficult to get before the vitality, because the front-end development is now more inclined to vuejs such an MVVM.

9. 还有BootStrap前端框架也是，像这样的框架可以广泛流行并得到充分发展和利用 . If you want to say in the PHP community to find a CSS with bootstrap such a framework, it is not laravel.

Ten. Laravel的工匠精神，我想会造成了它很不灵活，学习曲线难等等问题 . On the contrary, Laravel is very flexible, if you know the IOC.

One by one. 最后成为只有极少数部分极客和狂热者的宠物 Anyone who focuses on the PHP community and who has seen the outside world should not have this idea.

A. Laravel的国内实际应用项目到底有哪些 . No, I wrote a https://laravist.com.

So my point is: according to this situation, you can not learn laravel at all, after all, it is best for their own. Everyone has a different pursuit.

No one's going to squirt you.

I have seen your problems, and I have some thinking processes, some of which I cannot agree with. A conclusion based on false assumptions is not credible, so I'll just make a superficial comment on your question and hope to learn together.

Laravel is undoubtedly an excellent framework, but the author never said he "subversion" or want to subvert what, the author is such an ordinary otaku, accompany family, thank you code, develop their own framework at the same time, interspersed with their own entrepreneurial projects, a series of deployment services derived from the Laravel framework, SASS, consulting services and so on. I contact Laravel for half a year, seemingly also did not see who said this framework overturned what, estimated so to you speak of people, not brain residue is the usual exaggeration of the words of the needle fire Liao type, for procedural aspects of things, encountered this kind of exaggerated words ignore good. Laravel is built on the meticulous and selfless contributions of the PHP community, using the open source projects of many other developers, including the Symfony component, as a bottom-up dependency, whether it's Laravel or the library he relies on, which is not a new thing to recreate, or a unique way to write PHP. There are a number of similar implementations for each dependent community.

Composer and Laravel are not directly related, the former is the community developed to a certain extent naturally generated by the dependency management tool, to help developers maintain a large number of dependent libraries and their version updates, for example, if you write a Web application yourself, you will probably need to complete such as routing, ORM, Request and response, verification, template engine and many other aspects, now suddenly there is one aspect you do not want to write, then this time you will think of the introduction of other active, well-documented library for you to use, when your program function point is enough, may send mail, file system abstraction, queue interface, You have to be on the shoulders of your predecessors to speed up your own development and let the good ones do what they do. This time Composer is the only tool that ensures that you maintain a dependency on updates, conflicts, and rollbacks. Community development to a certain stage, even if there is no Composer, there will be Overture, Singer. Today, Composer has become the de facto industry standard for the PHP community. You do not understand him, can only explain your own lazy ignorance, even if you casually go to Github search PHP project to see also do not think that Composer is being promoted by a certain framework.

You say "Laravel's characteristics violate PHP's original intention", then you'd better be able to understand what you think of his characteristics, PHP's original intention is what.

PHP's selfless defenders, as well as the business companies behind it, never said that PHP is a lightweight, I do not know what the light weight of your mouth meaning, if you add a feature, the community has a dependency management tool is light weight, then the number of people in the language, there is probably no light weight. Getting Started with PHP is simple, but that doesn't mean you can write code in a dumb way, but take it for granted. Now the developers have a very morbid psychology, tube Sublime called light weight, phpstorm called heavy, tube file less called light weight, file more called heavy. But what I can tell you is a function of adding and being invented has gone through a complex discussion, with countless people thinking carefully and settling the urgent needs of many development practices. You must not learn to sit in the same place and question the intentions of others. A language or tool, if it really makes you feel heart failure lose confidence, so that you think it is counterintuitive, do not worry, he will certainly be eliminated, because most people are not silly, the market naturally eliminated useless products.

Domestic projects are not clear, you are now using the vast majority of programming tools are not "domestic" produced, so you can, the eyes do not just put on the side, the English results, there are quite a lot of great information, by the way, Laravel is a great influence on the human programming style framework, please use carefully, Otherwise it's hard to go back to the old days of writing noodle codes.

WordPress is a plug-in rich content system, I know not deep, but I feel that he and Laravel is not a field of things, their pursuit of different directions.

Gitoschina and no ghost influence, including all of the domestic services, to add a forum, add a outsourcing market is micro-innovation, localization, in essence, are earning the domestic developers of low-energy money, how thoughtful Cang Wen ah, a little brain do not have to move oh. A person who always uses Github, and it's impossible to use the stuff you're talking about. First of all, the developer on Github is the world's largest, open-source their products to large organizations, the top of the list is the most intelligent millions of people on the planet, the coder of the domestic thinking how to cheat party money, you expect him to really do technology? The world only needs a Git community, maybe two, but the other one is definitely not what you're talking about. A large community temporarily pieced together several people with Gitlab hastily erected things. "It's not that Github is so famous that it ignores the credit of the domestic Git community," and no one deliberately ignores them.

"The promotion of composer is bound to cause a variety of project dependency package increase and rot, so that PHP will inevitably become more and more non-magnitude." ", to file, rely on the amount of judgment, some sloppy, a page of code, write the slag, the same can eat more than 10000 pages of resources, heavier. PHP Open Opcache Although is a half-compiled language, but on the vast majority of systems, more than dozens of files, dozens of fewer, there should be no significant difference.

"Must be a Swiss army knife like jquery." JQuery is not Swiss Army knife, it is only the early development of the browser, the standard support is not perfect, IE led by the non-enterprising products derived from a compatibility solution, so that you in different environments, unified API notation. Of course, his role today is also this. And the future will be a long time because of its unified interface and popular. But you can't put a chatty, a wish that everything is called the Swiss Army Knife.

The artisan spirit is just Laravel on the website so to say, elegance is also, the author always eat, always have a word to remind you of this framework. In my experience with the additional two more complex frameworks, Laravel is a very simple framework, if you have the OOP Foundation, familiar with the document can be developed immediately, and in the process of viewing the source code is often found that the author did not write to the document in the surprise, Would lament that he can also take into account the complex usage scenarios based on ease of use. Laravel is also not a "few geek" pet, the last 3 years Laravel the world's most popular PHP framework. In mainland China, since 2015, the number of users and attention has also been increasing, the details can be index.baidu.com to look at their search index, drag the whole time to see the growth curve. Even if the mainland this production Code Monkey Training Institutions (higher education implementation is not in place, profit), a framework and training institutions in deep cooperation, leaving a framework will not write code on the soil and water, Laravel is slowly more hope to grow to new heights of the programmer to accept.

Half of the writing is not too much to write about, because it is difficult to wake up a person who sleeps. A profession that creates content every day, but sees fresh things as the greatest enemy. Also use their own knowledge to make their own can not tell the cause and consequences of the unwarranted inference. Although everyone has the power to express their opinions, I feel that when I encounter things that I do not understand, the first thing to do is to learn and understand rather than to come up with conclusions that are difficult to persuade others.

Personally think you are misunderstood laravel and composer the relationship, happy is that you laravel know by having a php composer similar dependency management tool
As composer for the introduction, 项目各种依赖包的增加和烂用 I suggest you look at node's Npm,python Pip,ruby gems and so on to see if they have caused abuse,

Some people will say that Laravel copied rails , indeed they have a lot of similarities, Laravel can be said to be a full stack development framework, rapid web development, the introduction of the best solution in the Web, the introduction of the most reasonable technology, such as the introduction of composer dependency Management
What do you mean by being inflexible? Where does it look inflexible?
As for the learning curve you are talking about, it is true that the learning curve of Laravel is relative to other frames 较高 , but this is also relative, and the higher learning curve means that you learn faster after the development efficiency.

Suggest you do not conform, if you feel bad, you can not learn, choose the right frame, also good.
If you feel bad, there is no need to find any reason to learn laravel.

Laravel really overturned what PHP, is it just to promote composer?
PHP5.3 already has the composer, except Larevel uses the composer the project very many.
In the end, the laravel of these features is against PHP's original intention, PHP is originally a light weight features, and now joined the namespace and package management.

This is precisely the feature of a modern, mature language, and PHP is not a lightweight language .

and Laravel's domestic practical application projects in the end what? Is it just to develop an extreme blog like WordPress?

Larevel launched a few years, there are many projects in the country with its development, you have not heard that is not equal to No. In addition, now WordPress is not a blog, is a small cms.

And there are not a lot of laravel related applications on Gitoschina, you won't tell me that GitHub has a lot of it, not because GitHub is famous for ignoring the development and credit of the domestic git community, Gitoschina is now a powerful git service community in the country.

Is it? I haven't heard of the "famous" Gitoschina, but there's no one in the developer circle that GitHub knows about. and domestic and foreign use of larevel projects will only be more and more.

The promotion of composer is bound to cause a variety of project dependency package increase and rot, so that PHP will inevitably become more and more non-magnitude.

Nodejs, Python and other languages also have their own package manager, have not seen abuses , and PHP itself is not a lightweight language.

What I understand can be widely used is definitely a Swiss army knife like jquery, because it's lightweight, fast, flexible, and can be used to expand the development of many things, to fulfill our own needs, and the bootstrap front-end framework, too, Frameworks like this can be widely popular and fully developed and utilized.

None of the things you mention are lightweight and, in my opinion, very heavy or bloated stuff.

Laravel Craftsman Spirit, I think will cause it very inflexible, learning curve difficult and so on problems, and finally become only a very small number of geeks and enthusiasts pet.

This is your personal point of view, what is the very minority? You go to GitHub to search, how many projects with Larevel?

If you think larevel there are such shortcomings and shortcomings, you can change other frameworks ah, there is no need to conform, blindly follow suit.
Or that sentence: for their own is the best.

Laravel more complex, the general people will not learn

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