Programmer to connect Chat experience summary, from CSDN forum quotations

The following is an online excerpt to make notes:

But to look at the Internet, seems to connect chat also have a lot of not easy, technical problem itself is a factor, there are a lot of people who have technology to meet the chat was cheated, or cooperation to the end of the failure, so want to please have experienced heroes out pointing, then chat how to answer. How is the general process. What to pay attention to. The risk of signing the contract. And so on, I hope the Master will be valuable experience to share with you ah?

/////////////////////////////////////

Preferably friends or acquaintances recommended, so that both sides are more assured that the project to take some, generally will not be owed.
If a stranger is not easy to say, even if signing a contract is useless.

There is a project, we must understand whether the other side has a technical background.
If there is a technical background, the general project costs will be more appropriate, not too high nor too low, the key is that the definition of requirements will be more clear, late maintenance changes are small.
If the other side has no technical background, it is difficult to do, even if the other side to want a relatively high price, the latter will be endless demand changes exhausted.

Also talk about the project must look at each other's character, the rhetoric of the people to a respectful distance.
///////////////////////////////////////////

Programmer rejoined need to know novice rejoined, need to know:
1, before rejoined, first with the art to tell the reward, if the programmer and the United States pay the same, then do not answer. Because the latter is the majority of the living procedures. and the task of the United States than the program, much worse.
2, before rejoined, must first let, the customer writes the demand in the written form, then according to the request function in the text, the valuation, if is the whole station, that best many points, because the later revision is quite annoying. If you want less, it's boring.
If the customer does not write a written request, then don't answer it, because it will be a headless job.
3, before the work, first with the customer said, the text of some functions to achieve, after the addition of features do not do. (from the written text from the date of the day)
4, with the customer instructions, finished work, from the day of checkout, do not care, unless the customer is willing to pay maintenance fees or you voluntarily.
(from the customer audit passed, the checkout then, even if the late customer found the bug, even the most basic bug also do not care, unless the customer is willing to pay, maintenance, do not listen to them, very good change, on the end, don't forget, change that is to be knowledge, on a point you do not change, this is the knowledge content. Please do not suck the knowledge of the program that you have worked hard to learn.
5, the General Post program maintenance is a need for funds, if the customer is unwilling to out, or think the program is you write it should be you to free, maintenance, this is called pull the egg! You have not promised them that after the program is finished, you will always be ready for free maintenance for them. The average monthly maintenance fee is around 500RMB, which can be negotiated with customers .
6, the program and the page must be separate, so that each do, the division of labor is clear, and it is not easy to have any misunderstanding, the most important thing is to improve the efficiency of the work. Later, the art of editing will not affect the program.
7, the time of the general do not with the customer dead, the program this thing, change to change will change the problem, need to repair the time, if you set the time is very dead, once the change, then the task, then you must die very difficult to see.
8, before doing a work, first make clear that the customer said the remuneration, is before taxes or after-tax, some so-called ' formal ' units to the checkout will say ' to deduct part of the ' personal income tax '.
9, it is best to have their own servers, to do the work on their own server, if the customer satisfaction, pay off all the money to the code to them, so as to avoid customers do not send money, live has been given to others, their own very passive situation. Remember. Remember.
The above is only a few of my personal rejoined experience, for reference only

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Can be introduced by friends.
You can also pass some chat intermediary platform.

However, in any way, we must pay attention to the need to talk about good beforehand, set a good price, talk about how to pay. If necessary, a partial deposit should be charged.

For some unfamiliar, there is no trust of the best intermediary to pay. I generally on Taobao transactions, the first payment to Alipay, completed after the loan.

/////////////////////////////////////

Connect website chat, how to cheat. Experience on

I've been cheated a couple of times for a long time, but I've been rejoined recently, telling you all about my experience.


General Chat, there is not trust each other, rejoined friend afraid to do not give money, the customer is afraid to give you money, afraid you do not good, so I pick up the chat, first after the money, better, but how to cheat it.


A site into a few paragraphs, you can negotiate, such as the site is divided into three, 1, Art 2, backstage 3 art and background of the combination of each to finish a period, customer satisfaction to the money, but how to cheat it,


If the site has backstage that is good to do, you can do the backstage, after doing art, backstage basic have, so almost do not do anything, is based on the customer's website settings to improve the background, to customers look, customer satisfaction backstage to give you money, so that there is a benefit, backstage you have, is not satisfied with the customer you do not lose anything, If the customer look backstage satisfaction to the money, then he is not a liar, (remember to let the customer look backstage, not directly to him, he gave you money, if you want to backstage you can give him)


If you want to do the site only art, then you have to pay special attention to the need to do a good job site pictures They are satisfied with the payment of the whole (at least half the money), if they do not agree, you do not have to do, may be a liar, do not believe that if the money is not a person, I have met such a person, to the end or not to pay, So I can't think of him as a person.


Before you do, give the customer a good picture of the site you want to shrink 30% to show him, (zoom out of 30% images and then zoom to the original state will be distorted) if he does not agree with a few possible


1. He's a liar.


2, he gave you the work is subcontracted


When you encounter a setter (that is, contact you also a company or an individual), your friends must be careful when negotiating, because not directly customers, two flyers you know the needs and analysis is often not what the direct customers want. I usually give up when I meet this kind of list.


3, this site he does not count, he may have a boss to let the boss see.


No matter what the situation, as long as he does not agree to reduce the picture to show him, then the site do not do, and then find other projects


And at the end of delivery, make sure the client gives you the money and then gives it to the website.

I hope we can communicate more with you.

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

1, there is a website, so that users can find you, otherwise where to have so much to live (my own site, Day Wolf Studio: http://www.j2soft.cn/);

2, the customer needs research clear;

3, after the need to investigate clearly, according to the workload, difficulty planning costs;

4, a deposit, generally for the full cost of the 20%~30% (deposit must be collected, or prefer not to take this job);

5, some customers sign the contract, some customers do not sign. A small number of contracts signed;

6, after the completion of software, plus probation, and then to customers;

7, pay the full paragraph, and then to the official version;

8, to the source code, add 20% costs.

Oneself rejoined already earned more than 20 W, above all is own experience. My website Day Wolf Studio, we can see, draw on.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

I took a total of 4 single chat, the first is to cooperate with others to develop, the back of the whole is a personal development.

Personal experience is as follows:

1. If you have never received chat, then the first single can not pay attention to the object, not pay attention to the project amount, opening is victory, will give you a different experience;
2. After the opening of the order, you should choose the object, select the project, which is in the spirit of their own responsible attitude, because there are many projects are almost unprofitable;
3. The preferred character good has the strength of the object, the second choice of funds high project, again choose the direction of the future;
4. Orders must be completed, this is the principle of life, no matter what technical difficulties encountered, anyway, now the network resources are very rich, technology without problems;
5. Be familiar with technology development, do not choose other new technologies, because the new technology means a lot of unknown problems, these problems will delay the development progress;
6. Chat project development of many people, may not be able to speed up progress, preferably a person to do, up to 2-3 people to develop;
7. Before receiving the order, must have the sufficient preparation, because this is the physical activity, the good health is the premise.

I wrote last year, "Personal outsourcing Project full memory", with you share
Http://topic.csdn.net/u/20081022/15/2997ee3a-dada-4bf1-86aa-36266d0e5ed5.html

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

This post, from the time of Creation (2007-12-20 12:52:17) to now 2009/03/01, has been more than a year, and see so many friends reply and posted, it is very happy.
I also say that I am in this year, docking chat some of the situation.

In this year, straight now, I have encountered three chat in total.
The first one, to his alma mater (middle School), to develop a comprehensive website.
The chat, on the whole, was a failure. Because I volunteered to talk to the school teacher about this matter, I hope to make some contribution to the school, Ben thought of a huge school, if the development of success, perhaps there will be many opportunities. Perhaps, others also give thanks, can give some reward. But his own idea is too naïve. Finally even basic needs are not going to do, the teachers are simply to deal with me, just say let me look at doing, and finally put online they can see the good. It would be good to play a propaganda role. Thank me very much, I agree. Actually no one to support and cooperate, I am very helpless, also did not continue to do, the final thing. Failure reason, I think still do not understand user situation, let oneself very passive.

The second, is introduced by a friend, to another friend to do a selling product promotional website.
This is OK, no matter what, finally opened, and took 1000 yuan of remuneration (alas, poor remuneration) ah. ）。
But there are a lot of frustration, the customer is a software line of outsiders, always put forward such a change request.
Although I began to talk to him, I said that in addition to the bug, if there is a change, you need to calculate the extra money.
If it is a bug, it is free to maintain. But after all are friends, there are many small changes, also did not have the nerve to ask someone else to.
Want money also not a lot, feel like to do a favor, but, people do not understand you do is a human,
Think you do not what he wants, you must change. But very helpless, obviously before all let him confirm. It's what he needs (he doesn't really know what he wants).
This unreasonable change, and people can not understand, what is a bug what is change. At last I was helpless,
Tell him website maintenance, need to find someone to maintain, I work very busy, no time for him to continue maintenance,
That's what freed me.

The third one I gave to a friend's husband.
Her husband is a professional art, so cooperation is still better. The development is very smooth, very comfortable,
Now the first phase of the front page has been developed, waiting for confirmation.

Above, is some of their own experience. Summed up, think chat is really difficult to answer,
And indeed, as everyone upstairs has said, rely on friends and connections.
And talk about price, make demand, late demand change and bug maintenance, need to negotiate things really many.
Really feel a lot of learning. I am now the third to live, still do not know how to talk about money with others is more appropriate.
Still studying hard ...


You prawns, have a good experience to share ah.

The Day Wolf Studio on the 60 floor, I think you are very impressive AH.
Thank you for your reply. The conclusion is very good. Learn and learn ...

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////