Rewards and select PK-based development + small company-csdn Outsourcing practices (14)

Summary of the previous discussion "project consultant": division of labor and collaboration

(Dejun)... said:
Discuss with "project consultant" about channel construction-csdn outsourcing practice (13)
Http://blog.csdn.net/yuandj/archive/2006/05/28/758893.aspx
Alex... said:
I'm reading
Ah
(Dejun)... said:
Look, is there anything inappropriate?
Alex... said:
I think it's good.
Explicit and authentic
Oh, hard work
(Dejun)... said:
I also think there is no nonsense in our conversation yesterday.
You do not need to sort it out.
Alex... said:
Ah
This results in better results.
(Dejun)... said:
Some time ago, I met a lot of team leaders in the project. Basically, the first day of a month can be taken. Many other things cannot be taken into account. This is a reality. Outsourcing channels do not need such people.
Alex... said:
A big problem with outsourcing is that programmers do not have enough time.
After all, most of them still have a full-time job that treats outsourcing as a sideline.
(Dejun)... said:
Therefore, division of labor and collaboration are required. Someone handles customers, someone manages projects, and someone develops them. We made it clear in yesterday's communication.
Alex... said:
Pair
If you agree well at the beginning, you cannot contact the project as a result.
This is often encountered
(Dejun)... said:
I think someone will handle customers, and someone will be responsible for project management. These two types of outsourcing channels are the most needed.
Alex... said:
The responsibilities of these two groups may be borne by one person.
Especially when outsourcing is done abroad
(Dejun)... said:
They have greater value. Because there should be a lot of people working on the project. Project management that makes full use of the features of a large number of programmers in the csdn network is also very challenging.
In the same way, it is the "Project Consultant.
Alex... said:
Very challenging and difficult.

The "select-as-you-go" competitive development mode under the "reward" condition:

(Dejun)... said:
Some time ago, we discussed how to avoid the programmer's ticket jumping mode under a "reward" condition.
1. The project issuer and Party A shall deliver 100% project funds to csdn for 3rd party guarantee
2. There are multiple project owners, who are the first to complete the competition, the best to complete, and get a reward.
Alex... said:
I used this method before.
But one problem is that
Many problems may occur during development.
If you select too many programmers, you need a lot of time and energy to answer these questions.
(Dejun)... said:
Is the standard not fixed, is it? The fear of fraud exists.
Alex... said:
Developers may ask some questions.
(Dejun)... said:
The time cost for answering these questions is a question.
Alex... said:
These problems may be repeated and need to be explained again.
(Dejun)... said:
However, this is similar to the time cost for selecting these developers.
Alex... said:
So at the end of the day, it will become a programmer who is the most likely to succeed, focusing on taking care
However, answering these questions is indeed a tedious and boring process.
(Dejun)... said:
If the problem is the same, you can ask a question. If the problem is different, you will hate it.
Alex... said:
This is also a method
(Dejun)... said:
In the final PK stage, the "reward" model was used, just like singing. Different singing methods have different understandings and expressions, but the audience feels different.
Alex... said:
In this case, someone may need to sort out the materials.
(Dejun)... said:
"Reward" PK is to let the customer select a version that he thinks is "good", and then continue development.
Alex... said:
Outsourcing is about cost saving. If one person sorts out the materials, the development costs will be higher if only one person develops the data.
This method is also good
(Dejun)... said:
No company has ever tried to use csdn for "select-by-Sea" development.
Alex... said:
However, it is not very beneficial for programmers who like to work slowly.
(Dejun)... said:
Your experience should be correct, but it should be adjusted under the massive csdn conditions.
Alex... said:
You can try it. This is a relatively new thing.
(Dejun)... said:
There will be a reward program next week. I will wait and see.
Alex... said:
The Influence of csdn makes it possible to compete in the "Sea Election" model.
(Dejun)... said:
In fact, it is best for customers to organize their work. They have their own standards.
We don't have to worry about it.
Alex... said:
The customer's needs must be the most accurate.
After all, they are the final reviewers.
(Dejun)... said:
Yes. Let's just help. In my opinion, after a period of time, we will surely find a development mechanism suitable for the csdn haopin mode.
Alex... said:
This must be adjusted slowly on the basis of practice, and then a mechanism that both parties are satisfied
(Dejun)... said:
For example, a person who participates in the Shanghai election can obtain credit without passing the mark. The reviewer can score the first three letters. This may also be the path that inspires people to learn and accumulate cases.
Alex... said:
In this way, the bidder will not be busy for half a day, but will return empty-handed

Csdn brings together small companies to explore the common development model:

(Dejun)... said:
Mr. Yang, how long have you been working as a company?
Alex... said:
It wasn't long before I started my company. I just came out and did it for about half a year.
(Dejun)... said:
Have you found the feeling? There are also existing channels and paths.
Alex... said:
It was the channel and path that had previously been paved, and then I made it myself when I did it.
If you jump out and start from scratch, the risk is more serious.
I think outsourcing is a very large market with great development prospects.
Should seize this opportunity
(Dejun)... said:
We hope csdn can help you.
Alex... said:
This is for sure.
Haha
(Dejun)... said:
Can you talk about your fortune?
Alex... said:
As you said, I think the early stage is to accumulate credit and success stories and gradually develop the team.
Save it, find opportunities, and expand the company
I think if an outsourcing company wants to develop, it needs to establish cooperation with some large companies in China.
This makes it relatively stable.
However, it is still in the initial stage of development.
The most important thing is to find a way to make your own products.
Otherwise, the company will not be able to get rid of the situation of working for others.
Do you have any suggestions?
(Dejun)... said:
Creating products is a way out. The outsourcing channel can provide a large number of talents, which can be used in many places, R & D, product creation, work, and resources, both aspects are critical to your use and exploration.
Helping others to work-in a sense, everyone is, serving the people.
Alex... said:
Yes, but now we cannot afford the R & D cost. It will take three to five years to wait for the company to develop steadily.
But I have the patience.
Yes.
(Dejun)... said:
It is essential to give full play to the value of your own company. It is not impossible to repeat others' paths. It is most important to find your own position.
Alex... said:
Make your own products and serve your own product consumers.
This is interesting.
(Dejun)... said:
I used to go a similar way. Now I am working on an outsourcing channel to find my own position and support entrepreneurship, which is my value.
Alex... said:
It is interesting to make full use of your own values and make your own contribution.
As long as you can achieve your goals, regardless of the size, it is successful.
(Dejun)... said:
Let's talk about it. Your current business model is stable. Can you use csdn to expand the production line?
Alex... said:
Haha, It's a little far away
My current business is basically outsourced outside China, and I am looking for long-term partners in China.
Or some domestic projects
It is also a bottleneck for development, and the expectation for the project is more urgent.
Urgent projects, both domestic and foreign
Ah
This is why I target csdn.
(Dejun)... said:
What is the bottleneck? Is BD insufficient?
Or are there projects that do not dare to pick up?
Alex... said:
Is to find some more projects
That is to say, it is a relatively large project that can be expanded by the company.
Or a project that can establish long-term partnerships with other companies.
(Dejun)... said:
First pick up, then find someone.
Alex... said:
That can be said, but such an opportunity is also irretrievable.
(Dejun)... said:
Egg and chicken problems. No one. You have a project.
Alex... said:
Pair
(Dejun)... said:
Unrealistic.
Alex... said:
Therefore, we need to accumulate more cases and experience.
However, if a small company is large, there is no other way to go.
Of course, I mean 3 or 5 years.
(Dejun)... said:
If you want to go out to pick up the project under the csdn banner, you can get some.
Use all cases and accumulation of csdn.
Alex... said:
For example, I have some internal goals.
Example 1. accumulate Projects
2. participate in some Certifications
However, I have also met some companies that have been working for seven or eight years, and there are still about 10 people.
They all have plans.
(Dejun)... said:
If you can use csdn, do more projects. I have accumulated contacts and teams, and then pulled my child up to expand the company. It is possible.
Alex... said:
This path is feasible, and the team does not need to spend manpower.
(Dejun)... said:
My current idea is to unite some small companies to build a big mess around csdn and work closely together, instead of worrying about sending free talent information from csdn, small workshops for several people.
Alex... said:
Well
Supported
(Dejun)... said:
You think, a small company, even if it pulls a few people, is very risky Due to narrow paths, because there are too many large companies in China and there is no chance. If small companies work together around csdn to accumulate cases and team size. In the face of the outsourcing market, the competitiveness is huge.
It can also grow linearly. It is not affected by the scale. Take the ticket together and score again. It is better than the small company's collectors.
Alex... said:
Come on, huh. before a small company grows bigger, it basically depends on related projects. not a virtuous circle. I did not do much on my own, and some really powerful companies could not access the project. as a result, everyone is not doing much.
(Dejun)... said:
Are you supported?
Alex... said:
If csdn can rely on some small companies to do some successful big projects, this is also a common development idea.
Of course I support
(Dejun)... said:
The next question is how to organize it. How can we coordinate small companies, including profit distribution?
Alex... said:
I think the project can be divided into several pieces, and the experts can
Divide the benefits based on the difficulty of the module.
This is fair and everyone has no doubts.
(Dejun)... said:
Well, openness and fairness. Let's get the market first and then reallocate it.
Alex... said:
Pair
(Dejun)... said:
This topic can be published again. Please negotiate with us. Finally, a specific solution can be formed to facilitate the process.
My initial ideas and steps:
1. Send a call (Word of mouth) to gather 1st small companies
2. Discuss the target market (the market that can be competed for through aggregation)
3. Focus on preparing past cases and accumulating credit using outsourcing platforms
4. Send and convene developers (forum release) and gather 1st developers,
5. Discuss related technologies and implementation plans (as a project reserve team)
6. Prepare technical cases and capability presentations
7. csdn is anxious for everyone (small companies, individuals, and all forces) to work together in the market
8. A single list and a single list are gradually recognized by the market.
9. Copy mode for greater market space.
Alex... said:
I can't help but propose to join
(Dejun)... said:
You can also say that some of your friends are involved.
Alex... said:
This is a great opportunity for small companies to develop.
It is too risky and the path is too narrow.
Alex... said:
No problem
(Dejun)... said:
Discuss with the first bamboo at noon tomorrow. Start this activity.
Alex... said:
Okay.
(Dejun)... said:
Let me sort out the MSN records. See you tomorrow.
Alex... said:
OK. See you tomorrow.

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