The open-source environment in China is right and right, and the debate caused by the article before 80

I wrote a non-technical article titled "What did you do for the predecessors before 80?!" Most of the content in the article is social realism, and there is no intention to draw a boundary between the 80 s and the 80 s. However, it attracted a huge block of saliva and bricks. It is not for the article itself, but for the open-source team I participated in. Here, we will extract some representative excerpts for reference by participating in domestic counterparts interested in domestic open source.

　　First, let's take a look at the statement in the article "before 80:

80 before the article: http://www.blogjava.net/daxia/archive/2006/05/29/48664.html

Although this article does not involve too many technologies and Java, it does not involve easyjf team or open source. But somehow, this article drew a lot of interest from the so-called "first 80" people represented by "elders. This article is also cleverly linked to the easyjf team and the open-source project of the easyjf team. This is what I did not expect before I published this article. The "elders" have been "awesome" and "lethal" in their comments and replies to this Article, and have received the attention of many industry peers. At the same time, easyjf open-source team was also given a heavy blow, hitting the enthusiasm of many team members to participate in the open-source business. Recently, many people are very rational and some irrational members.Strong demand to withdraw from the teamAnd asked easyjf to give a reasonable explanation, so that I and many domestic open source support friends are very worried about the prospects of the easyjf team. Therefore, I was severely criticized and verbally warned by the easyjf management team. To minimize the impact of this article on the development of the easyjf team, we hereby make the following statements:
　　　　
1. I am not writing an article specifically accusing or criticizing people before or after the 80 s! Here we mention "before 80" or "after 80". It is more about the other things in the text. This is not a refutation, but a social realism with a certain literary color, hopeCareful and not impetuous, and able to read the full textFriends found some resonance.
2. Although I am a person after the 80 s, I respect my predecessors very much in the real world and in the virtual world, only a small community has a cancer,Do not place your seat on your accountAnd ask your friends before or after 80 to take the right medicine according to your actual situation.
3. This article does not mean to draw a line between 80 descendants and 80 predecessors. As in the end of the article: "From the long history of 5000, we are actually organically linked, and there is no gap between the ages .". I also thought that, in the next 20 or 30 years, if we did not work hard in 1980s, we would also be born in the 21st century, and we would get people 80, 70, and 1960s together to make a joke.
4. 80 our predecessors, regardless of their work experience and social experience, have a wealth of experience and are very stable in speaking and doing things. Therefore, you should carefully examine yourself and set an example for 80 future generations.
5. The majority of easyjf teams are actually people before 80 or people on the 80 s. Without the rich experience of the 80 s predecessors and their steady style of work, relying on the passion and qualifications of the post 80 s, easyjf's work is rare. In my opinion, before and after 80, it should be a whole; otherwise, it will form the history of China. "80" is more like a word of help here at best, although it has some meaning, but it doesn't actually make much sense. I will write this article again in a few years, maybe I will change 80 to 90, and the title will be changed to: "What did we do for colleagues before 90 ?!".
6. The following is only a part of the technical work mentioned in the article "before 80", which contains more than 10 thousand words. It is for your reference only:
In the Chapter "material" and "spirit", there is such a section about how to "grasp spiritual civilization:
What should we do? I think this article requires "emancipating the mind and seeking truth from facts ". Starting from my personal thoughts, we should not be full of money. We need to eradicate the idea that "Everything is commercialization and everything is market-oriented.
In fact, every industry can contribute to the construction of spiritual civilization.
For example, when I make a lot of money in online games and do a good job in material civilization, I accidentally misled many children and caused some serious social problems, network heroes who have harmed the Socialist "spiritual" civilization. You can take a portion of the money you have earned to engage in some education funds, Hope Projects, make up for the harm they have caused to society, and make some contributions to philanthropy.
For example, for corrupt officials who are "People in the rivers and lakes and cannot help themselves", you can quietly send money from "unintentional" greed to poor mountainous areas to raise a few out-of-school children, instead of raising two or three milk, the guilt on the conscience will certainly be reduced a lot.
For another example, if my colleagues engaged in technology R & D just like me can't move around, they have to consider how to commercialize and market the technology, but whether they can take a long view, are you sure you want to make the technology ready first? After all, the market-oriented and commercial environment in China is not perfect, and there are many problems. In many cases, the two cannot have both sides. To put it bluntly, that is, if there is no technology, it can "Do a Good Job" for commercialization and marketization. This is just a question of how long can it be "good.

　　The following is a big conjecture about the sacred location of an old man:
1. Some people say that the author of "post 80" is Wang Wei. The article "before 80" was cited by the article "after 80" by the predecessors of "Wang Wei". It does not mean to refute Wang Wei's predecessors, and I agree with many of them. Comrade Wang Wei can write a 8000-character long article that is extremely powerful. Although his article says that many "80 future generations" are not, however, his work points and conclusions are the same as those in his article 80, which is positive and in good faith. Therefore, if he knows what he wrote, he will read it patiently. After reading it, based on his cultural level, he will be able to understand the true intention of this article, comrade Wang Wei certainly does not have any opinions.
2. As Comrade Wang Wei's blog shows that Comrade Wang Wei is studying direct sales, he does not understand what easyjweb framework and technology we are talking about here. Therefore, I guess "Old predecessors" should think that "Foreign moon always don't let us circle" is a Java technology peer.
3. Listening to "elders" should be the boss of a company. Only the elders can be so excited.
4. Many of my colleagues came to ask me what the "Old Man" who dared to say justice to everyone is. Daxia is also a studious person. Like everyone, I want to know who my predecessors are. If one day I will be honored to meet you, I will definitely visit the "elders ", for example, you can learn what programming is and what open source is. Now, I know the meaning of "Young is fortune". If I am wrong, I can change it and try again!
5. I hope that the patriotic compatriot who is very afraid of the easyjf team's loss of Chinese Java faces will take the initiative to stand up and tell us who you are? If the easyjf team stops all the activities, many people will be grateful to you for your fearless sense of justice.Juyalima. Of course, some unconvinced members can also seek an excuse to ask your elders for spiritual and reputational losses.
　
　　Classic quotations and explanations of "elders:
　　1. resolutely defeat the pseudo-Open Source esayjf.Let's just say that I am open-source with a piece of rubbish that doesn't even serve farmers. (Interpretation of Daxia: The Elders despise farmers and easyjf projects. They think that easyjf is open source only when its content is better than that of farmers .)
2. I want to work in my company. I will fire all of you.(Interpretation of Daxia: the old generation is the boss of the company. Employees of the company must be careful not to join the easyjf team, stay away from the easyjf team, and draw a line with easyjf, later, we will see articles written by easyjf people or articles written by others about the easyjf project. We should also report and destroy them as soon as illegal publications or leaflets are handled. Otherwise, we should be careful about the rice bowl .)
　　3. It is estimated that Mao is not long enough. If he does not learn well, he will start to brag.(Interpretation of Daxia: the old generation told us that when Mao changqi is finished, he will learn everything and blow the ox to serve the masses !)
　　4. disband easyjf !!!(Interpretation of Daxia: with a strong sense of responsibility to the entire Chinese people, the call from the old generation requires the easyjf team members to join the cliff .)
　　5. Don't drop the faces of Chinese Java people in the name of Open Source !!!(Interpretation of Daxia: the old generation has a bright eye on Gold. At a glance, easyjf lied to the people all over the country in the name of open source. As a patriotic Member and Java fellow, I am very afraid that easyjf has lost the faces of Chinese and Java people .)
　　6. Don't yell at me if you are a child. What do you know? Mao hasn't grown up yet.(Interpretation of Daxia: The old predecessors mean that when you get old, you will not be too late to get old .)
　　7. Who do you think you are? X. What do you mean? What do you have to boast about. (Explanation of Daxia: The elders are knowledgeable and understand what the online term "X" invented by 80 descendants represents and can be flexibly applied. The Elders advise us to be in a hurry? If you are qualified, you can boast more)
　　8. You just need to know what easyjf is, so don't be embarrassed. Go home and learn what programming is. Little brother Mao is not long enough yet. He learned to scream, shame? (Explanation: the meaning of this sentence is similar to that of the above statements. Because easyjf people and some passers-by are disobedient and unreasonable, the old predecessors are angry and have serious consequences. Therefore, they speak a little nonsense, Amitabha !)

For more classic quotations, seeWhat did you do before the 80 s?Leave a message behind the article: http://www.blogjava.net/daxia/archive/2006/05/29/48664.html

　　

Below are some representative comments for this statement:

You don't have to care about the classic quotes of the so-called "elders .. Let's just take a breath of wind. -Wu Ren-continuous learning

I still want to say: the post of the landlord is very boring. posting on technical blogs such as blogjava is purely spam, occupying a large number of main pages, polluting the environment, and interfering with audio and video !!! Come back next time. I hope I won't smell this smelly batch !!! -Netvista

I think this discussion is very important. It involves a technical attitude and a big environment problem. If the environment is poor, I will scold and will not improve it, it can only be a fart. I think that China needs to do a good job of open-source, and the environment is very important. The attitude of the technicians themselves to open-source peers is also very important. In the past, I have seen many extreme comments on jdon, I feel a little sad.
I hope Daxia will continue to write about this phenomenon. The deeper the better, the better. This is the slap in the face of many people. I think we should think more about why technology exists, why are you engaged in technical work. Bad Attitude, use your ass! -Netvist

I think so too. Although I find myself uncomfortable, although I am post 80, "<The post of the landlord is very boring. posting on technical blogs such as blogjava is purely spam, occupying a large number of main pages and polluting the environment, intrusion !!! > "I agree with this comment. You just need to write a literary Bolg and apply for one at Sina MSN, here I wrote a question to find and scold, and I also wrote the literary-style realism as a technology rather than a literature. -Yinzhe

You have to find the recycle bin before spitting out your saliva.
A sentence is like a long canvas, which shows the capabilities of bloger on the roof. If you are in my team, I am afraid you will be ruined every weekend, it is also a capability to fabricate problems out of thin air and take responsibility for simple problems.
Many Chinese people do like to fight, but most of them are politicians. As for technical personnel, it is easy to learn more, it is even more ridiculous to scream for "Chinese-made open-source"-netvista

I think this article requires "emancipating the mind and seeking truth from facts ". Starting from my personal thoughts, we should not be full of money. We need to eradicate the idea that "Everything is commercialization and everything is market-oriented ." ......
I guess "Old predecessors" should think that "Foreign moon always don't let us circle" is a Java technology peer
In this section, I think it makes sense. I often see some cool people in China who want to make a big blow when they see a fart. As a result, some friends upstairs said they should not put such articles. I do not agree. To do the technology, you need to correct your attitude. In the past, we saw some cool people's attitude towards jdon, Which is disgusting. -Netvist

Open source without borders? John, wake up. Open source is also a technology. Let's look at the many restrictions imposed by the United States on Chinese technology exports. You will know what technology has a national border. Good things and core things, do you wait for others to open source? Dream.
What's wrong with an open-source team set up by Chinese people called "domestic open-source? Many companies are still running the national software and national industry banners. I now support domestic open source, clean open source environments, and easyjf. -Netvist

I do not know the purpose of the malicious criticism of easyjf by the "elders? What did you do before the 80 s? This article only applies literary colors to social realism. As an 80-year-old generation, you can examine this article in the spirit of "something has changed, nothing has been done". Why do you want to make radical comments on the title? China's open source is not mature. What we need is not such an unreasonable abuse or criticism! Easyjf won't retreat because of some shameless comments. On the contrary, we will reflect on our shortcomings. "Shame and courage", "thick and thin hair ". I sincerely hope that our open-source business will go one step further. At the same time, I sincerely hope that my colleagues 80 years ago or 80 years later will be able to learn from each other! -Silent Waves

@ Netvist
Do China need to import open source software from the United States? -Yuxie

Yuxie didn't quite understand what I said. I mean, technology has national boundaries. Open source belongs to the technical category. The core things will not be open-source, and other countries will impose restrictions. To be technical or open-source, a good environment is required. What we lack is these environments. -Netvist

Dizzy ~ What's the core is not open source? Didn't you steal the topic,
First, you should understand the concept of open source. Do not publish the source code or the core. What is open source.
A good environment relies on a little bit of accumulation, instead of making a critical article like a big report. We need to do more technology and talk less about veralism. When are there really bad guys, and everyone has a cute and hateful side. The title of this attack is a bit ugly. It's normal to attract others to shoot bricks-Yinzhe

Haha, I am not switching the topic. I just do what I see as open source. I don't know if the easyjf team only supports open source? The purpose of doing open source is to study technology, so the production methods of open source and commercial software are the same. Attitude is important, and environment is important. Think about why China's software companies have been doing so soon. The top app software in Shanghai seems to be a good software company in China. Now? The boss seems to have run.
Taking the mainstream open-source projects as an example, there is basically no project in which the Chinese people participate in the primary R & D. What's the reason? Language and environment are an important factor. Foreigners only use English documents. When we import the documents, we don't know the time. These should all be related to national borders. -Netvist

Finally, let me check the easyjweb code.
... I can only say that you are brave.
The first impression is that you don't care about code indentation or formatting.
The ugly part of the Code simply doesn't have to look for a bunch of stuff.
All documents are in Chinese. Why? Expecting old Mao to learn Chinese? These years are unlikely to happen.
Well, even if this framework is only available to Chinese users, it is too incomplete.
Today's children's day, you don't have to grow up any longer. You have to learn how to evaluate your own strength. -Jigsaw

I do not agree with what Jigsaw said above. It is a misunderstanding to say that easyjf is bragging. I have read many articles in Daxia, and I don't seem to find an article about how their framework works. In many cases, it is said that the system is in the beta version. Please give comments and suggestions. You can go to the homepage of their official website upstairs to see it. It is similar to "Today's easydbo study, and a lot of problems have been found !" Similar articles are filled with the homepage, and I feel that my attitude is good. Of course, if I have an attitude, I have to take actions. I suggest easyjf people to improve the Code quickly. In addition, there is no English comment. For Chinese users, it is time to write more Chinese. If a foreigner wants to see it, ask him to translate it by himself. Do you have a Chinese comment for a program written by a foreigner?
From the upstairs, I think the speech should be a senior Java technician and may not know easyjf. Therefore, it is irresponsible to give a comment similar to "be self-appreciated. -Xucoyy

I think there is no problem with the Chinese document. Generally, domestic projects should be promoted in China first. If they are all written in English, it is not good for promotion. -Jiangnan Baiyi

I have seen a lot of programs written by foreigners in non-native English speaking countries are annotated in English, and documents are also in English.
I am not a senior engineer. Don't take my words seriously.
In addition, please look up the dictionary for the meaning of taobaozizhen. Maybe I have not learned the language well, and you may have misunderstood it. -Jigsaw

Don't be so practical, dude. just discuss it. Maybe it's my problem. I just think that although we don't have time to participate in their open source, we should give them some kind of criticism and suggestions. Of course they don't listen, that's their problem, what we can do is.

I feel that it is too fragile to open source projects in China, such as huihoo and jdon, which have not been widely used or popularized, if open-source projects cannot be applied, they will not be supported for a long time. If SF registers so many projects every day, who will count how many projects will die every day. The reason is that the technical gap is definitely an important factor. The idea of a project is a factor, and the scientific evaluation of the peers should also be a factor. -Xucoyy

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