Water price increase is suspected to be related to the introduction of foreign water companies

Moderator: Like the water supply enterprise is actually a public enterprise such a business, for such a business, we will always be discussing, it should not assume more social responsibility, it is in the economic efficiency of the convergence, but we actually see, including the short film we have also introduced a lot of foreign capital introduction,　　It feels like the water supply is also for making money.　　Wang Xi Zinc: The introduction of foreign capital, perhaps local governments take into account infrastructure input, in the cost, in the case of a shortage of financial input may be introduced, of course, may also include the introduction of some management. But the introduction of foreign capital, we have seen some very, probably with the nature of urban water supply, that is, the nature of public welfare may conflict in place, because the introduction of foreign capital must be for the purpose of profit, to obtain such concessions, it must be to obtain profits.　　In fact, we see some places, such as in Kunming, Tianjin, Shanghai, some foreign water companies of this foreign investment, and the local water prices frequent rise between a kind of, may be accidental, but also may be an intrinsic link.　　Moderator: We should say that water is inseparable from every day, so water price problems are naturally very very concerned about the program, we will continue to explore. Moderator: Water price problem we naturally are very concerned about, in recent years, some urban water prices have occurred how a change?　　Let's take a look at the following. Explanation: In the 1985 to 1997 water Price Levy rapid development of 12, 1997, water conservancy projects into the price of the national commodity price management system, many provinces began to change the water price standards, and the formal introduction of some water pricing methods, into the management of operating fees,　　From now on the water price began to rise higher, all over the water supply enterprises, water conservancy projects, starting from the last 60 years of loss management to commercialization direction.　　As at the end of 2007 data, 36 large and medium-sized cities in China, the water price of living water supply of 0.6 yuan/cubic meters-2.8 yuan/cubic meters, the average water price of 1.7 yuan/cubic meters, has been 1988 0.14 yuan/cubic meters of 12 times times more. Taking Jinan as an example, from 1990 to 2003, has experienced 10 times water price adjustment, the inhabitant water also from 1990 4 cents rose to now 2.95 yuan, although this price is not high in the Shandong province each city, but from the whole country, this water price is at the forefront.　　In the face of increasing economic pressure on low-income families, the public has started to call for the introduction of stepped water prices. In the water price adjustment in Guangzhou a few years ago, the basic water price of the residents ' living water will rise from 0.9 yuan/cu m to 1.32 Yuan/cu m, the rate of increase is more than 40%, in the face of such figures, the Guangzhou statistics bureau has found that the public generally believe that the government through price leverage to encourage people to save energy,　　The affordability of the public should be fully taken into account. Starting from the end of last year, almost all of ChinatownThe city has joined the chorus of rising water prices. And for the reasons for the increase in water prices, some media probably summed up to two points, first, the overall low water prices, not to reflect the scarcity of water resources and water environment management costs, resulting in serious waste, not conducive to raising the residents of water-saving awareness.　　Second, the water price is low, which causes the water supply enterprises to face the pressure of operating losses.　　When the rise of water prices become an irresistible trend, how can we straighten out the mechanism of the formation of water resources prices, so that the water price rose to the people convinced that it is not simple to think can solve the problem. Moderator: It should be said that the water supply is within the scope of public utilities, then the relationship between public utilities and corporate interests how to deal with, and then we continue to connect China Municipal public utilities franchise expert Xu Zongwei, Mr. Xu has written a book called "Public Utility market China municipal utilities franchise."　　Mr. Xu, I would like to ask, as a company such as water companies, it should be within the scope of public utilities, it and other enterprises in the pricing, in many market operations are different? Xu Zongwei: Moderator, you speak of this issue is very important, now many water enterprises are indeed the implementation of franchising, the Government so the implementation of franchising system is mainly aimed at the production of public goods, because the production of private goods do not need the government concession. I also talked about it in the book "The Market for the franchising is in fact the need to build a cooperative relationship between the public sector and the private sector, through the government's transfer of public goods franchise, the use of market mechanisms and methods, between the Government and the private sector to establish a public interest in such a business market　　, this time the requirements of the enterprise is indeed different.　　I think there are two main points, 1th, the requirements of enterprises to seriously fulfill the government signed with the public goods production franchise contract, to ensure the quality of products, to ensure the continuity of production and so on. Second, to uphold the principle of government pricing, public goods and private goods in fact one of the biggest difference between public goods is the government pricing, private goods are priced by the market. I do feel that in the current situation of fighting the financial crisis, the growth, Pao Minsheng and stability, water prices can be discussed, but not adjusted. Because of what?　　What needs to be emphasized now is how to ensure the urban water supply in the current situation, and gradually improve the quality of water supply and service level.　　Moderator: Well, thank you very much for the analysis that Mr. Xu brought.　　Professor Wang, just now Mr. Xu talked about some of his views, and felt that it seems that the timing of adjusting water prices is not particularly appropriate, and if we adjust the price of water, what should be paid attention to? Wang Xi Zinc: I think just now Mr. Xu talked about a very important point about franchising, so that some public goods should have been provided by the Government, but the government was offered by some public enterprises by way of concession.Public enterprises, they have a specific responsibility, of course, the specific responsibility has actually had a power, such as the supply of our finished goods, such as the supply of water, the government gives it a monopolistic operation of such a qualification, so it has the power, of course, to bear this responsibility,　　The responsibility is to consider the balance between the market and the public interest, and the balance between efficiency and social equity. So just now director Xu talked about a very important, these public enterprises it has more social responsibility, so he mentioned during the financial crisis and so on, we need to consider these factors, the market may not need to consider these, but you are a chartered public enterprise, you have to consider these factors.　　From this point of view, our water price adjustment should take into account, for example, the cost of enterprises, but at the same time you have to consider that the people, especially the people at the bottom can not afford, this is a social or social justice problem, I think the price mechanism of water price must be in this market and social public welfare to find a balance between. Moderator: Two years ago, I had a low policy in the interview, their home makes it open a little bit, drop it drops by drop, and then put a cylinder, he does not open it up, the purpose is not to let this water meter go, so the purpose is to be able to save that little money. Let's talk about the water price today.　　For example, some people in the film just put forward the step-type of the kind of modulation, we specifically how to tune? Wang Xi Zinc: According to the ladder type of this method, a variety of modulation, in fact, we are still the first in a clear account of the situation, understand that the account is to be adjusted, for example, you take the cost too high as a reason, to stand for price adjustment, we must first consider whether you want to tune, the problem solved after course how to tune, How to adjust is the balance between benefit and fairness. For people living with water, because it is a, we talked about is a rigid demand, so for those basic living water demand for rigid, I think should be taken into account the public good, the government in the pricing, when the price adjustment, we must consider this piece to give adequate protection.　　As the example you just mentioned, of course, we do not advocate, but also can be from a side of the possibility that other people may be concerned about the price of water, we must consider this part of the people.　　Ladder-style price adjustment, I think there is a benefit, that is the most necessary for the residents of water to the bottom of the line that part must be able to guarantee that this part of the price is not adjusted, and may even have some subsidies to some specific people. But for those that exceed the necessary amount of water for life, we can introduce excess cumulation, which means that, for example, more than one times the water consumption, prices rise by one times, in some places more than 25% of the rise of one times, more than 50% of the rise of twice times, and so on, so that may play a price to save the resources of the purpose.　　But at the same time, it can guarantee some low-and middle-income people, he has a minimum demand. Moderator: Actually the price adjustment of water, we all found a hearing, but we also noticed that, like this hearing no matter how open, the beginning of the experts may be inconsistent with the ordinary people, and then do not know how to agree, the final price adjustment.　　From the point of view of the hearing, how can it be more transparent, more open and more reasonable?　　Wang Xi Zinc: In fact, the question of hearing, the reason why many times we saw the hearing became a price rise, the public said the price is muddled up, the main reason, the hearing may not come up with a clear account, this is a very important reason. We're talking about water prices now. I see Shanghai just water price hearing inside, Shanghai submitted a cost price report, 2008 Shanghai Water main business income 1.769 billion, he said the cost is 2.1 billion, so is negative income, but you this negative income in the end is negative in where, this does not ...