Li Zhengxi: Regional emissions trading is more important than carbon trading

Lin Xiaozhao "If you build your low-carbon on someone else's pain, what's the point of this low-carbon?" We are in the production of some so-called energy-saving environmental protection products, we can not just see its end product is energy-saving emission reduction, you also need to see it to produce this equipment products in the process, there is also a large number of energy consumption and increase emissions problems. "Recently in the interview with our reporter, Guangzhou Exchange Group chairman Li Zhengxi on carbon trading and emissions trading, carbon tax and other issues."　　He argues that regional emission trading is more important than the current international greenhouse gas emissions issue.　　First Financial daily: At present, the promotion of Low-carbon technology is often subject to high application costs and other difficult issues, how do you see the plight of Low-carbon technology promotion? Li Zhengxi: First of all, the Low-carbon this piece because the Cancún meeting can have the result, whether can reach each country's total control is still unknown. If total control is not achieved, I think the whole economy should be developed according to the original pattern.　　So the development of Low-carbon industry still must follow the market law, the government in which give some guidance and support is necessary, but the key is to rely on the market economy to configure. The government's money is also the taxpayer's money, but also has a financial burden of the problem.　　At best, the government only guides the cultivation, through some industries to guide funds to support, it is impossible for the Government to bear the development of the whole low-carbon industry, so I think it should be through the market law in the production and operation of enterprises to play a role, and gradually to reflect the problem of upgrading technology.　　Daily: You emphasize that you can't build your low-carbon on the pain of others, what does this include?　　Li Zhengxi: From the international point of view, some developed countries to low carbon economy, to the developing countries to propose such emission reduction restrictions and requirements, then this will not develop Low-carbon economy based on other people's economic development? Many developed countries in the high-energy, high polluting industries transferred to developing countries, production in developing countries, production of a considerable part of the products provided to the developed countries, the developed countries only look at their own domestic low-carbon problem, do not see its import in other countries production and production problems.　　China, for example, is a manufacturing powerhouse, producing products that are not only consumed by the Chinese.　　As some cities in China, the production of some so-called energy-saving environmental protection products, can not only see how it is used to reduce emissions, you also want to see the production of this equipment products in the process, there is also a large number of energy consumption and increase emissions problems.　　Daily: There are many tools for developing low-carbon economy, such as carbon tax, carbon market and so on, what do you think the path of our low-carbon economy should be? Li Zhengxi: If the Low-carbon economy is seen as a green economy, it is not just a greenhouse gas emissions issue. My understanding is that the Low-carbon economy consists of two parts, one is greenhouse gas emissions, and the other is related to the local drainage of sewage, including waste gas residue and domestic waste, these are pollution problems. One is the issue of pollutant emission rights., one is greenhouse gas emissions, which should be distinguished. Greenhouse gas emissions are an international problem, whether the global warming or cooling, the international debate now. Secondly, it is also unknown whether global greenhouse gas total control can be reached internationally.　　The international talk is about the total amount of greenhouse gas control problem, and does not involve the regional sewage, pollutant problem. If the world does not have the total amount of greenhouse gas control, then talk about carbon tariffs, carbon trading, etc. is still relatively distant things.　　Because of this Cancún meeting, I think it may be just a step forward. I think China, especially Guangdong as a manufacturing big province, the international factory, not only need to consider carbon emission problem.　　In terms of trading, you can try, even if the international total volume control does not reach the agreement, the place can be the first to try, or even set a Chinese local standards, not necessarily follow the western countries to go. But what is more urgent is not this. What is more important to us is the sewage problem in the Pearl River Delta, the management of the emission rights and the transaction, which is more realistic.　　For the Pearl River Delta, the total control of the emission rights, the decomposition of the regions and the establishment of the market for the trading of emission rights are more urgent and needed for the development of green Low-carbon economy, the adjustment of economic structure and the realization of energy saving and emission reduction. In short, when it comes to the low-carbon economy, many people understand that carbon emissions are a problem, and that carbon emissions and emission rights are at two different levels.　　For China, regional emissions trading is more important.　　Daily: At present, Guangdong also proposed in Guangzhou to establish an influential domestic carbon trading market, in your view, Guangzhou to establish the advantages of the carbon Exchange? Li Zhengxi: Guangzhou is a National Center City, the city's market aggregation and radiation function is relatively strong.　　Second, Guangzhou has a strong Pearl River delta Real economic support, and adjacent to Hong Kong and Macao, facing Southeast Asia, so if the international reach a Carbon Control index system, then the establishment of the carbon Exchange in Guangzhou has an advantage, that is, the advantages of trading resources.　　If carbon trading is a deal that will happen sooner or later, Guangzhou can try first.　　Daily: Before carbon trading, can we introduce a carbon tax first?　　Li Zhengxi: I think the carbon tax is just a more popular saying, will it be understood as some aspects of decomposition, for example, some may be a matter of resource tax, some may belong to a certain area through other taxes, such as the current tax adjustment problem. For example, some new technologies, the use of renewable energy, in value-added tax, sales tax on a little lower.　　Some of the energy-intensive, tax-weighted, which can be understood as a carbon tax, rather than a direct, new taxes. Internationally, however, carbon tariffs should be set up. There is a problem here, in the Chinese-made products to the European and American countries, is the Americans to accept Chinese exporters, producers of carbon tax, or the Chinese to collect carbon tariffs?　　This is a very complicated problem, and in general it can't be that fast. Daily: In the long run, future carbon will become a kind of currencyform, take monetary attribute and value? Li Zhengxi: Anything is possible. But I don't think this is something that can be achieved in the past few years. This is still relatively remote, because the situation between countries is different, developed and developing countries are also very dissimilar. The issue of total Index has not been established, to talk about carbon tariffs, carbon trading, carbon finance, I think it is worth studying, but whether the landing to become a reality, or need a certain period of observation.