27 things about Oracle and SAP

Introduction: after the former CEO of Hewlett-Packard Hurd went to Oracle, the two were separated from the sweet league. After the former CEO of SAP entered the position of HP's successor to Hurd, the three parties were formally matched. In September, Jack filed a lawsuit against sap, suing SAP for stealing Oracle software and materials, and HP was involved in the lawsuit. This lawsuit is of little significance to most people. At most, it is just a bit of fun. But if you are a sap or Oracle customer or you are interested in third-party support services, this event may remind you. Of course, if you are a shareholder of SAP or Oracle, you may be more interested in this matter. The following is an analysis of this event by IDG News:

Last month, Oracle sued SAP for "Stealing" Oracle software and materials. On Monday morning, in the California local court, the lawsuit will enter the trial stage. SAP has already acknowledged some "crimes" and Oracle has done nothing in terms of public opinion. In addition, HP was involved in the lawsuit because of unknown reasons. You need to understand what is going on between Oracle, SAP, HP, and companies that do not currently have tomorrownow. Here are some things you need to know.

　　What is the case for this trial?

It is mainly related to a company called tomorrownow acquired by SAP five years ago. The company provides third-party maintenance and support services to customers of eaglesoft and JD Edwards.

　　What is a third party?

Third-party maintenance and support. Application providers like Oracle and SAP charge about 20% of their software license fees for services. These fees include not only necessary services like security patches and bug fixes, but also major version upgrades. Some customers do not want to update those applications, but they only want to use existing software. As a result, they find third-party providers with lower fees than large providers, and they only provide the necessary services.

　　What does sap do?

After Oracle acquired eaglesoft and JD Edwards, SAP acquired tomorrownow. The maintenance revenue accounts for a large proportion of the software company's revenue. Therefore, for SAP, providing low-cost services to Oracle customers is a good way to combat its main competitors. It wants to turn Oracle customers into SAP customers.

　　What is the progress of this policy for it?

Bad. When tomorrownow became part of SAP, its market value fell by $90 million. Worse, tomorrownow is likely to be crazy about cheating. It does not download patches and bug fixes provided to customers from the Oracle Support site according to the rules. Instead, it downloads all the Oracle software it can get. Oracle said: tomorrownow has a large number of servers to automatically extract Oracle software from Oracle computers.

　　So what does Oracle do?

It does what any hot American company will do and sued sap. Finally, it raises 10 large sins, including copyright infringement, violation of contracts, illegal computer access and unfair competition. Oracle also said it had discovered that tomorrownow had stolen all Oracle applications, as well as bug fixes and technical support materials.

 

　　What does it get from sap?

Money. A lot of money. Oracle says it is entitled to $2 billion in damages. A large part of this is the profit that Oracle should earn if SAP does not use the tomorrownow service to steal Oracle customers.

　　What does sap say?

It says it is ridiculous. It believes that any one who wants to get rid of Oracle's PeopleSoft and JD in that period
Edwards customers may do the same, mainly because they are worried that their suppliers will be acquired by Oracle, not because of tomorrownow. It is willing to give
Oracle costs only a few millions of dollars.

　　Is this the story of the next week's trial?

Don't be too impatient. Two months ago, Oracle and SAP agreed to narrow down the scope of the case. SAP said that if Oracle is willing to discard nine other allegations and focus on damages, it is willing to acknowledge that tomorrownow has infringed the copyright of oracle.

This is really a pleasure ......

Don't be naive. They are very "hateful" to each other. Oracle does not have enough time to convince the jury of the case. Therefore, focus on the large amount of compensation to be compared.
Good returns. In addition, sap has admitted that tomorrownow has performed an "improper download", so it agreed to narrow down the scope of the case and mainly discuss the issue of damages.

　　So, does sap know all these illegal activities?

Not necessarily. At the beginning, SAP said that its executives did not know about illegal downloads, and everything was done by tomorrownow. But Oracle indicates that it can
Proves that sap executives are aware of these illegal behaviors. Oracle also said that next week, it will let sap executives stand on the certificate holder and ask them some embarrassing questions.

　　So, this trial is about-Does sap know about illegal download?

Don't be too impatient. On Thursday, SAP made a shocking move. SAP said it no longer thinks its executives do not know about tomorrownow. If there is no objection to the question of "participation in infringement", this trial will address the issue of damages.

　　Why does it do this?

This is hard to say. It may have made up its mind to settle, or it has realized that it will not have any good fruit to eat. Alternatively, it may not want its executives to stand on the witness board and ask some embarrassing questions by Oracle lawyers. They are not a group of nice guys.

　　So what does sap say? By the way, what does HP need to do in this case?

Your question is very interesting. SAP's statement is that Oracle is turning the trial to the media circle. Therefore, SAP made concessions to calm down the storm and let it end soon.
Oracle has made a big impression on this case in the press, partly because it is targeting HP and its new CEO Leo.
Apotheker. He used to be an SAP executive, so he was one of Oracle lawyers who wanted to "torture" on the witness board.

　　Is it really related to this?

It depends on who you asked. Oracle said he was associated with the incident because SAP was the business president of SAP when it acquired tomorrownow. HP and SAP said Larry Ellison just wanted to launch Apotheker and then embarrass HP.

 

　　Why is he doing this?

Hate. Oracle and HP are at odds. When Oracle acquired sun and became a competitor of Hp, this hostility began. Then, in order to get rid of the pre-HP
CEO Mark
Hurd, Ellison calls hp a group of idiots. Then Oracle made Hurd the president of oracle. HP then hired Oracle's biggest software competitor
Former CEO Apotheker and former Oracle executive Ray
Lane -- he used to be at Hurd. Therefore, things become very private. You may say that this is really absurd.

　　No kidding. How much can these people get?

Yes, but this is not a problem.

　　So sap is willing to discard all the services related to tomorrownow (whether it knows it or not) to avoid the Apotheker standing on the certificate holder?

That's what it means. It also wants to prevent its own executives from being hurt. Since Oracle throws a lot of news announcements and legal documents (in these news announcements and legal documents, Oracle calls sap a bunch of scammers), SAP wants to close the lawsuit as soon as possible.

　　So next week we will not be able to see the CEOS standing on the certificate holder?

We may also see this. On Friday, the judge accepted a request that sap would not justify the fact that it was involved in infringement (that is, its executives knew about it. Such
Oracle is more difficult to pull all SAP executives to the certificate holder. However, the judge also said that Oracle could conduct on-site debate with all SAP personnel related to the issue of damages
Theory. Therefore, Oracle can still bring sap executives to the venue, and then judge whether they are related to the issue of damages and whether they should be on the witness.
Ellison may also appear in court. Although there are some performances, he seems really angry when someone steals his software. He wants to stand on the witness panel and tell the world how they are
Deceiving his company.

　　He is a bragging king, isn't he?

He will definitely talk about things from the heart. He drove a sailing boat and appeared in the movie. But he is as sharp as a needle, and he seems to be better at playing classical guitar, so he is not a real athlete.

　　What about Leo?

I don't think he is an athlete either.

 

　　I mean, will he stand on the certificate holder?

Maybe not. He seems to be traveling around the world.

　　What do you mean?

Oracle said that if he is not currently in California, then it cannot send him to the site. HP said he is on a "Listening Tour" around the world to listen to the voices of employees. He may not be back before the trial ends.

That's a coincidence.

Indeed, But HP said in a news announcement that when HP appointed him as CEO, he left his work aside and started his global journey.

　　This trial was the same day as when Apotheker started working at HP. Is that a coincidence?

It seems like this. Although Ellison is a great man, he cannot arrange it.

　　So, again, what will the next week's trial be about?

It mainly relates to the amount of damages to be paid by SAP, which means there will be some evidence related to the development of the software industry and some evidence from the Damage Compensation experts. This trial will also involve the understanding of SAP executives, which is the most interesting part of this trial.

　　Will the trial start on Monday?

Yes. The jury's choice will be held on Monday, and a public statement may be made the next day.

　　Why should I pay attention to this trial again?

To be honest, this has little impact on you, but it will certainly be interesting. If you are a shareholder of SAP or Oracle, you may be wondering how much they will get or how much they will lose.
Less money. If you are an SAP customer, although some senior officials have left the company, you may still want to know how kind people are operating the company. If you compare third-party support services
If you are interested, you may find some inspiration. Some people say that sap's problems will delay the time for other companies to enter this business field.

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