Wu Xiaobo Interview, analysis of the internet giants today

In fact, the interview with Wu Xiaobo is very interesting, when Wu Xiaobo in the interview talked about the difference between Ma Yun and the previous generation of entrepreneurs Liu, Wang Shi and other people, if only literally read words, then Wu Xiaobo words are very sharp, such as:

"If you want to compare with old Willow and Wang Shi, they are much less public, whether it be Ma Yun or horse horse ... Ma Yun is a person who does not study, and the accumulation of horse in the field of social science is actually very low ... The whole human quality of their generation has a certain gap compared to the previous generation. The reason, in fact, is simple, now you just need to find a camera to go to old Willow's office to see his bookshelf, and then run to Ma's office to see his bookshelf compared to know. The

Of course, in this interview, also talked about a lot of dry goods, Wu Xiaobo from China's business trends in the new and old two generations of entrepreneurs, as well as the Lei and Mingzhu of the game analysis, and then to the Chinese enterprises innovation problems. This article will be the interview below, let everyone look at the bullish posture.

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Q: From 1978 to 2008, what do you think is the theme of China's reform?

Wu Xiaobo: In fact, the biggest theme or development, that is, Xiaoping that sentence, "whether the yellow cat or Black cat, as long as the Catch mouse is a good cat." "The first 30 years were development, but after 2008 it was discovered that development had paid a great price."

Q: What is the biggest change in business trends over the years after 2008?

Wu Xiaobo: There are a few big changes, many of which I did not foresee when I wrote "30 Years of agitation," and there was also some optimism that the so-called problem points were later removed, but in fact they were not.

The first big change is the rapid advent of the internet age. The change of the Internet to the whole society of China is unprecedented, it becomes a rotation axis, changed the whole Chinese mode of production, life style and thinking inertia.

The second is globalization. The opportunities and challenges that globalization poses to China's economy occur simultaneously. At the time of the 30-year agitation, I did not see any sign of the imminent onset of the global financial crisis. Before 2008, Chinese manufacturing actually experienced a 10-year golden period. We were just talking about the demographic dividend coming to an end, and we didn't expect the entire European and American markets to shrink. The economic crisis in the developed countries in Europe and America and the rise of the emerging countries are very important to the change of China's position in the globalization pattern.

The third is urbanization. 2008, we think that the real estate has risen almost, did not expect 2009, 2010 and doubled, the entire industrial restructuring because of the real estate bubble became more and more difficult.

Q: Last year, people began to talk about whether China's entrepreneurial class has formed a more distinct class consciousness, and there is nothing to do to promote institutional change. Wang Shi's proposition and Liu is not the same, how do you evaluate the current class in the political consciousness of the stage?

Wu Xiaobo: I think now into a period of conscious class, this class consciousness should be gradually stimulated after 2004. Until 2004, the entire entrepreneurial class was very optimistic. At that time, it was thought that, first, through China's domestic market reforms, the relationship between the government and enterprises will be adjusted well; second, China's accession to the WTO, the introduction of international rules will turn China into a complete market economy country. But after 2004 of macro-control, especially in the 2008 4 trillion-scale economic stimulus package, entrepreneurial class consciousness was awakened.

But even today, I doubt whether the entrepreneurial class consciousness has formed. I think it has not yet been fully formed, because they do not have their own more unified proposition, there is no organization, there are no leaders and speakers. This is partly because of the cowardice of the entrepreneurial class as a whole, and on the other hand, China's right-wing intellectuals have not been able to help entrepreneurs come up with proposals.

In fact, Liu (Chuan zhi) and Wang (Shi) Two people belong to the political complex more strong people. Especially old Liu, he was born Shiji years, experienced the entire Cultural Revolution and reform and opening-up, political awareness is actually very strong, I do not think Old Liu is a want to escape the political topic of the people. Just over the Boao Forum, he expressed his views on a few more sensitive topics, such as his views on what the Chinese companies need to do to get out of the way, and how private companies should have a say in the boardroom.

In fact, this discussion last year was imposed on the old willow. Some of the far-right people want to express their more extreme stance and take him as a target. Old Liu Hao, Wang Shi Hao, real entrepreneurs do not have the determination of political tearing.

Q: Will the main force driving China's social and political progress be the entrepreneurial class?

Wu Xiaobo: I'm a fan of elitism, and I think the whole of the social elite. The elite should come from a few parts: first, the intelligentsia, then the entrepreneur class, two of the so-called opposition classes, and the third from within the government. Only when the elites reach a consensus on a particular issue at some point can we complete some gradual reform, or the society will be torn apart.

Q: "30 years of agitation" is considered a book calling for continued reform, what was the most unexpected response you received after the book was published?

Wu Xiaobo: There are two things that are quite unexpected: young people are interested in this book. People who have experienced 30 years of reform are willing to read this book I can understand, but these years are printed, there are 80,000 and 100,000 of the annual printing volume, now buy a lot of people are the generation, the year, that the young people of China's reform history still have a lot of interest. Second, government officials can accept the book. Some time ago CCP selected party cadres favorite 10 books, I this row in the second place. CCDI recently recommended 57 books, one of them. So, at least I think officials are still very proud of this reform.

Q: You are familiar with Liu, Wang Shi, Zhang, Cunhui, the first generation of entrepreneurs for 30 years, and in your opinion, what are the challenges they face in the business world? Can they continue to lead the way in a new business environment?

Wu Xiaobo: The first generation of people from the business sector is the end of the generation, I do not know whether they do not realize, because the entire business model has been completely beyond their experience, and China's main consumer groups, entrepreneurial people are mainly in the first, these 40, It's a difficult thing to understand after 50. At the commercial level, I think they should all leave the front desk, and their experience should be in two ways: first on the capital level and the other in the public domain. They have certain authority, their experience causes them to settle down a lot of things, but in the practical level they will certainly give way to Lei, Ma Teng these people.

Ma Yun is 1964, Lei is 1969, the other people are basically whenever, 60 to 75 before the dial people I think is the future of Chinese commercial practice in the field of the main crowd.

Q: What is the biggest difference between the entrepreneur of Ma Yun's generation and the first generation entrepreneur in manufacturing?

Wu Xiaobo: If on the positive side, I think they are more sensitive, they have established the enterprise organization's variability, the softness is stronger, the manufacturing structure is more rigid, emphasizes the scientific management these things.

But if with old Liu, Wang Dan compared to them, whether it is Ma Yun or horse, their public is very poor, they sometimes face the public domain speech, we are very good. This is related to the growth of the entire generation. Old Liu, Wang shi their reading volume is certainly much bigger than the horse cloud, Ma Yun is not a person who is not reading, the accumulation in the social science is also very low. This generation of Internet is the same, compared with the older generation, this group of people never talk about history. They believe that the future, the past day has no meaning for them, this may be the problem caused by industry attributes. This is actually a very dangerous thing. The whole time has been handed down, but in the back of the generation of the public and humanistic literacy is a congenital defect, although I and they are familiar with, but I am honest, when the whole microphone into their hands, sometimes they will be too busy to speak, do not know what to express.

They don't pay enough attention to public issues, but they become opinion leaders. When a person becomes an opinion leader, people will ask him all the public questions, he will answer any questions, then some people will find that this generation of the entire humanities and the previous generation compared to a certain gap. Actually very simple, you only now find a camera to go to old Willow's office to see his bookshelf, and then run to the office of Ma Yun to see his bookshelf can be seen-ma no bookshelf.

Q: Commercially speaking, this generation of Internet entrepreneurs is particularly concerned with the user experience, which is called interactivity, from the manufacturing perspective, including like Zhang, which has been emphasizing internet thinking, but manufacturing is hard to interact with, right?

Wu Xiaobo: Very difficult, because the manufacturing is product-driven, product-driven considerations are more technical iterations, is the functional part of the internet like lei they consider the consumer's drive, consider a lot of emotional problems, artistic problems.

Q: So how do you see the bets of the two generations of entrepreneurs?

Wu Xiaobo: What's more valuable is the gamble of Mingzhu and Lei. Mingzhu is a manufacturing person, manufacturing believes in the function, believes the technology, Lei may believe the emotion, believes the community, believes the consumer, I thought their discussion finally did not win, certainly is goes toward the middle. Millet mobile phone In the past 3 years, the results can not explain what the problem, 3 years in China to sell 10 million mobile phone case is not never happened. Tcl happened that year, the mobile phone inlaid with a diamond sold more than 10 million units. Why is TCL mobile phone in China now? Millet eventually will go to Mingzhu that road up, your product can not always use 35 months on the broken, your chip is also in the hands of MediaTek. To mingzhu them, to solve is the consumer's problem, your consumer now to brand understanding is different, he can accept you is a problem. I think the bet is that they push each other to the side, walk along they will come to the middle.

Wang and Ma Yun's discussion is the same, in fact, in the end is the line and line of the integration of complementary, I think people can not live completely online.

Q: Have you ever asked yourself a question: why did China not produce a great world-class enterprise, do you think it is possible to produce such a business now?

Wu Xiaobo: It is possible, such as Ma Yun, horse, Wang These people have a great opportunity.

The so-called Great enterprise first born in a great country and a great industry inside, you have to have big enough basic disk, this is very important, Venezuela produces a great enterprise is very difficult thing. China is also a great country because it is big enough and fast enough to grow, but not every industry in a great country can produce a great enterprise, it should be in the field of extraordinary development after the existence of large-scale mutation. Ma Yun in the field of E-commerce, in the global context is absolutely innovative, horse in the social network of many innovations in the world are rare, Wang in the commercial real estate this part also. These people have the opportunity, and are very young. If the Chinese economy can sustain more than 10 20 years of growth, the wealth of these people will grow at a geometric level, and their reputation on a global scale will be higher.

Q: There is a point of view that the creation-related thing is a Western strength, after the creation he also did not want to continue to intensive cultivation, and create something else to go, so modern all the major inventions are westerners to achieve, Chinese enterprises are the most suitable for service, they are kneeling service to make money, which is also Westerners can not do. The question is whether China will produce a very creative entrepreneur like Steve Jobs, a product that has turned an industry upside down.

Wu Xiaobo: This is a big challenge, and your question is one of the biggest embarrassments we're facing right now. China has developed for more than 30 years, now get out of the enterprise in two areas is a major flaw: first, there is no business ideas, the Japanese were there, such as Toyota's fine management, Panasonic philosophy, and so on, they have in a certain period of time has led the global business thinking changes. The second is the change of business model brought by technological innovation. It is possible to innovate at some point in the future, but it is not known in the face, the pressure is quite large. This is related to the country's innovation system, not just the entrepreneur. At the national level, does our entire education system and technology system support such innovation? Single enterprise can do some things, such as micro-trust in Tencent, and the cat model, but the National science and Technology Strategy and education strategy of these two big problems if not solved, a single enterprise level can not solve what problems.